Is this safe for 100 miler?
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Usually there is a spacer in the dropout slot. If the slot was not widened, it may be OK. Excuse the photo quality, but it was cropped from a much larger photo.
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The frame dropout looks like paint damage. Hard to imagine anyone grinding away metal there, but who knows!?
Remove the wheel, or at least slide it all the way forward and backward, and see if it's just paint damage, or metal actually removed.
Horizontal dropout bikes like yours often have a bit of "play", and can be a bit finicky to align the wheel, hold steady, and FLIP the skewer closed TIGHTLY at the same time.
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The Quick Release skewer is not meant to screwed tight. It "Flips" open & closed. Look up some videos about bike quick release skewer.
The frame dropout looks like paint damage. Hard to imagine anyone grinding away metal there, but who knows!?
Remove the wheel, or at least slide it all the way forward and backward, and see if it's just paint damage, or metal actually removed.
Horizontal dropout bikes like yours often have a bit of "play", and can be a bit finicky to align the wheel, hold steady, and FLIP the skewer closed TIGHTLY at the same time.
The frame dropout looks like paint damage. Hard to imagine anyone grinding away metal there, but who knows!?
Remove the wheel, or at least slide it all the way forward and backward, and see if it's just paint damage, or metal actually removed.
Horizontal dropout bikes like yours often have a bit of "play", and can be a bit finicky to align the wheel, hold steady, and FLIP the skewer closed TIGHTLY at the same time.
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That dropout/frame is done. Toast. Finished. Ruined. Finito. Anyone that thinks otherwise is blind or has no clue.
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Another photo without the rear wheel installed would be useful.
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The OP (who is probably the only person who can settle this) needs to examine the bike and post as to whether the edges of the dropouts are flat and have the paint scraped off, or are beveled.
I know what My eyes see ... but no one will believe anyone else until the OP actually says something---or posts pics which show the situation unequivocally..
I know what My eyes see ... but no one will believe anyone else until the OP actually says something---or posts pics which show the situation unequivocally..
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Yes it is safe. It is sensible to go for some shorter rides before rushing out to do a long one. If you do experience any problems, you will not be far from home.
This is likely to be caused by the frame slightly out of alignment, or the hub off center. It could also be that what you call the 'groove on the frame' is longer one side than the other.
Line it up so the wheel is in the center and ride it.
This is likely to be caused by the frame slightly out of alignment, or the hub off center. It could also be that what you call the 'groove on the frame' is longer one side than the other.
Line it up so the wheel is in the center and ride it.
I have no problem with differences of opinion, and everyone has his or her own perceptions.
Did you look at that photo full-screen? To me the gouging of metal looks clear.
In any case ... to the OP .... if it is indeed just paint scraped off, ride on and enjoy. if it is indeed that the edges of the dropout are beveled .... well, if you don't post again we will know what happened.
Did you look at that photo full-screen? To me the gouging of metal looks clear.
In any case ... to the OP .... if it is indeed just paint scraped off, ride on and enjoy. if it is indeed that the edges of the dropout are beveled .... well, if you don't post again we will know what happened.
Thank you for all of the responses, I was not expecting so many of them. And they were all exceedingly helpful. I was able to properly inspect the dropout for damage as well as find the fix. I must be honest I was also not expecting hateful responses (@veganbikes), though what else is there to expect from somebody who advertises being vegan?
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I'm seeing depth and shadow, and not the marks of a quick release or wheel nut clamping, but of someone using a rotary tool to grind inward, creating a cratering effect. Note the texture, which, to my eye, looks like the rough scarring that a small rotary bit makes when one is an amateur grinder. I've done quite a bit of grinding and milling, and have fixed some boogered-up bubba work, and this looks like it to me. It has depth. At least to me.
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Well my 24 hour post limit is up, so I am back. Indeed, the damage is merely paint having been scraped off, and there is no gouging of metal. Which is good news. In fact, somewhat embarrassingly, the right dropout had a flush plastic spacer that I did not see until accidentally pressing it out, as it blended in with the decades old grime. The axle now sits further in and I rode it today for a few miles: good enough to set a KOM!
Thank you for this suggestion! I had not considered the alignment of the bike, and it felt especially important to check, being a 30+ year old bike.
The last thing I expected was to refashion a black/blue vs gold/white dress debate, just the bike version of it.
Thank you for all of the responses, I was not expecting so many of them. And they were all exceedingly helpful. I was able to properly inspect the dropout for damage as well as find the fix. I must be honest I was also not expecting hateful responses (@veganbikes), though what else is there to expect from somebody who advertises being vegan?
Thank you for this suggestion! I had not considered the alignment of the bike, and it felt especially important to check, being a 30+ year old bike.
The last thing I expected was to refashion a black/blue vs gold/white dress debate, just the bike version of it.
Thank you for all of the responses, I was not expecting so many of them. And they were all exceedingly helpful. I was able to properly inspect the dropout for damage as well as find the fix. I must be honest I was also not expecting hateful responses (@veganbikes), though what else is there to expect from somebody who advertises being vegan?
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IF it's just paint that's gone then it's fine. It certainly doesn't look like it, though.
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Look at the rear dropout, fellows! It appears that someone has gouged the dropout, creating a cratered part into which the quick release lever head will sit. As though to accommodate too short of a rear skewer or something. Yikes! Would not ride, would not keep. Take to a skilled welder and have him build that back up, grind and polish the flat to match the opening on the other side. It'll ruin the paint, but save the frame.
I'd be more inclined to say chip off the rest of the paint where the QR needs to sit.
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Where is the OP??!!!??? He could clear this up in a moment, if he simply had the awareness... What the heck?
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Personally, if I had a question regarding the safety of a bike I would take it to a bike shop to have it evaluated. I would rather not rely on feedback from faceless posters on the internet with unknown levels of expertise based on one photo that does not provide conclusive evidence one way or another. I can look at the photo one way and see damage to the dropout, and if I look at it another way it looks like scraped paint, and if I look at it another it looks like corrosion on the quick release nut. But, maybe the poster doesn't have a bike shop nearby, or thinks that the shop would not be honest in order to sell him/her something, or perhaps there is some other reason he/she does not go to a bike shop.
*shrug* I don't see the problem with this. I also don't see a bunch of meaningless posts in this thread from the OP to try to get their post count up (which is what I would consider "spam"). If you don't want to read or respond to someone's post because you consider it "spam", or because having someone come to the forum to just ask one question never to be heard from again offends you, then just don't read/respond. If they are "treating us like a search engine", then they'll quickly go away. It's not like their posts are preventing others from submitting more meaningful (from your point of view) posts. And there aren't so many posts that the "meaningful" ones get buried. Perhaps you consider this forum to be a "community", whereas I do not. It is a source of information and entertainment, and has changed my mind on occasion, but I don't get a sense that I know anyone in this forum from reading characters on a screen.
Not a hateful comment at least not directed at you specifically but you came here asked a question realized you couldn't post pictures and instead of becoming a member of the forum decided to knowingly spam just to post your picture in your thread. People sometimes cannot handle honesty but it is what is needed. We have a lot of people who come to the forum who just make a quick post and leave instead of becoming an active member of the forum treating us like a search engine instead of a really awesome forum.
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Personally, if I had a question regarding the safety of a bike I would take it to a bike shop to have it evaluated. I would rather not rely on feedback from faceless posters on the internet with unknown levels of expertise based on one photo that does not provide conclusive evidence one way or another. I can look at the photo one way and see damage to the dropout, and if I look at it another way it looks like scraped paint, and if I look at it another it looks like corrosion on the quick release nut. But, maybe the poster doesn't have a bike shop nearby, or thinks that the shop would not be honest in order to sell him/her something, or perhaps there is some other reason he/she does not go to a bike shop.
*shrug* I don't see the problem with this. I also don't see a bunch of meaningless posts in this thread from the OP to try to get their post count up (which is what I would consider "spam"). If you don't want to read or respond to someone's post because you consider it "spam", or because having someone come to the forum to just ask one question never to be heard from again offends you, then just don't read/respond. If they are "treating us like a search engine", then they'll quickly go away. It's not like their posts are preventing others from submitting more meaningful (from your point of view) posts. And there aren't so many posts that the "meaningful" ones get buried. Perhaps you consider this forum to be a "community", whereas I do not. It is a source of information and entertainment, and has changed my mind on occasion, but I don't get a sense that I know anyone in this forum from reading characters on a screen.
*shrug* I don't see the problem with this. I also don't see a bunch of meaningless posts in this thread from the OP to try to get their post count up (which is what I would consider "spam"). If you don't want to read or respond to someone's post because you consider it "spam", or because having someone come to the forum to just ask one question never to be heard from again offends you, then just don't read/respond. If they are "treating us like a search engine", then they'll quickly go away. It's not like their posts are preventing others from submitting more meaningful (from your point of view) posts. And there aren't so many posts that the "meaningful" ones get buried. Perhaps you consider this forum to be a "community", whereas I do not. It is a source of information and entertainment, and has changed my mind on occasion, but I don't get a sense that I know anyone in this forum from reading characters on a screen.
You don't see those meaningless posts because a moderator deleted them and warned the OP to stop spamming. Does that change your perspective?
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Ok Kid....... If the grumps and frumps didn't chase you off, I'll throw out some gray beard wisdom (actually I only got back to riding 3-4 years ago, but I do have a grey beard).
Chances are that you and your bike would make it a hundred miles if you had to go right now. The bikes bearings might be toast and you might be walking funny for a while. Or you might end up broken down 70 miles from where you want to be because any number of things went wrong. So with a little luck you can be the kid that barely survived a 100 mile ride. Or with a bit of prep work and training you might make it look easy.
First thing I would do, if possible, is find a bike co-op. Co-op have parts tools an folks who want to help kids get on bikes. If you know how to fix everything on you bike, and have gone over everything, the less you will be worried about something exploding's at mile 99.5. Working with a Co-op will also be a lot cheaper than a bike shop, but your still going to end up putting another $100+ into an old bike getting it ready to ride another 1000 miles.
The other 900 miles are training. I'm not a juvenile sports doctor, but I've seen kids get hurt with to much too fast in school sports. At least for my knees its important to build up mileage slowly. If you haven't been riding much a couple miles every other day, riding a little farther every time, and adjusting the bike fit as you go will help keep you from trashing you knees . 100 miles is a long time to do something that hurts you 1.3 times per second. Even though it feels good to mash on high gears, its better to be spinning the cranks in a gear that feels too low while training. A rule of thumb that I read on the internet is that if you can easily ride a hundred miles spread out during a week, your ready for a century. I haven't done a century in one shot , but have done a 300 mile week loaded touring, after building up to a regular 100 mile week. I didn't die while having fun. Good luck on your adventure.
Chances are that you and your bike would make it a hundred miles if you had to go right now. The bikes bearings might be toast and you might be walking funny for a while. Or you might end up broken down 70 miles from where you want to be because any number of things went wrong. So with a little luck you can be the kid that barely survived a 100 mile ride. Or with a bit of prep work and training you might make it look easy.
First thing I would do, if possible, is find a bike co-op. Co-op have parts tools an folks who want to help kids get on bikes. If you know how to fix everything on you bike, and have gone over everything, the less you will be worried about something exploding's at mile 99.5. Working with a Co-op will also be a lot cheaper than a bike shop, but your still going to end up putting another $100+ into an old bike getting it ready to ride another 1000 miles.
The other 900 miles are training. I'm not a juvenile sports doctor, but I've seen kids get hurt with to much too fast in school sports. At least for my knees its important to build up mileage slowly. If you haven't been riding much a couple miles every other day, riding a little farther every time, and adjusting the bike fit as you go will help keep you from trashing you knees . 100 miles is a long time to do something that hurts you 1.3 times per second. Even though it feels good to mash on high gears, its better to be spinning the cranks in a gear that feels too low while training. A rule of thumb that I read on the internet is that if you can easily ride a hundred miles spread out during a week, your ready for a century. I haven't done a century in one shot , but have done a 300 mile week loaded touring, after building up to a regular 100 mile week. I didn't die while having fun. Good luck on your adventure.
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Regarding whether coming to the board to get a specific question answered rather than to "join the community" is a no-no, no. As you can see, I've been on the board for years, but I don't post much. I read posts for fun and to learn, but I often don't have anything to say because I'm not competent to comment on the subject under discussion, or because someone else has already said what I would have said, or because I'm not on the board due to life is getting in the way, or for some other reason. I can see a newbie coming to get a question answered, leaving for a few months to ride, then coming up with a new question to ask, and so on. I don't agree that this constitutes mis-use of our time and effort or that it is damaging to the integrity of these boards.
I understand the minimum post rule, to stop true spammers from flooding the board with ads. However, I also understand the frustration of newbies who come for help with a specific question but can't provide the information, due to this rule, that is needed so the forum can help. Perhaps the mods can use their judgement and let the content-free or -light posts go if it is obvious that someone is trying to get a question answered? Sorry, I don't know enough about moderating a board to tell if this is practical. (I also imagine that being a mod is a thankless job, though I have no direct experience.) I don't know the content of the posts, so if the OP was snarky, or downright abusive, I could understand them being warned. Not that any hypothetical snarkiness, IMO, would have been totally unjustified, given that he/she was treated unkindly for trying to get a question answered and for trying to circumvent the limitations of being new to the forums.
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Regarding the spam posts, yes. I don't know how you tell that there were meaningless posts that were deleted, as I said I don't see them.
Regarding whether coming to the board to get a specific question answered rather than to "join the community" is a no-no, no. As you can see, I've been on the board for years, but I don't post much. I read posts for fun and to learn, but I often don't have anything to say because I'm not competent to comment on the subject under discussion, or because someone else has already said what I would have said, or because I'm not on the board due to life is getting in the way, or for some other reason. I can see a newbie coming to get a question answered, leaving for a few months to ride, then coming up with a new question to ask, and so on. I don't agree that this constitutes mis-use of our time and effort or that it is damaging to the integrity of these boards.
I understand the minimum post rule, to stop true spammers from flooding the board with ads. However, I also understand the frustration of newbies who come for help with a specific question but can't provide the information, due to this rule, that is needed so the forum can help. Perhaps the mods can use their judgement and let the content-free or -light posts go if it is obvious that someone is trying to get a question answered? Sorry, I don't know enough about moderating a board to tell if this is practical. (I also imagine that being a mod is a thankless job, though I have no direct experience.) I don't know the content of the posts, so if the OP was snarky, or downright abusive, I could understand them being warned. Not that any hypothetical snarkiness, IMO, would have been totally unjustified, given that he/she was treated unkindly for trying to get a question answered and for trying to circumvent the limitations of being new to the forums.
Regarding whether coming to the board to get a specific question answered rather than to "join the community" is a no-no, no. As you can see, I've been on the board for years, but I don't post much. I read posts for fun and to learn, but I often don't have anything to say because I'm not competent to comment on the subject under discussion, or because someone else has already said what I would have said, or because I'm not on the board due to life is getting in the way, or for some other reason. I can see a newbie coming to get a question answered, leaving for a few months to ride, then coming up with a new question to ask, and so on. I don't agree that this constitutes mis-use of our time and effort or that it is damaging to the integrity of these boards.
I understand the minimum post rule, to stop true spammers from flooding the board with ads. However, I also understand the frustration of newbies who come for help with a specific question but can't provide the information, due to this rule, that is needed so the forum can help. Perhaps the mods can use their judgement and let the content-free or -light posts go if it is obvious that someone is trying to get a question answered? Sorry, I don't know enough about moderating a board to tell if this is practical. (I also imagine that being a mod is a thankless job, though I have no direct experience.) I don't know the content of the posts, so if the OP was snarky, or downright abusive, I could understand them being warned. Not that any hypothetical snarkiness, IMO, would have been totally unjustified, given that he/she was treated unkindly for trying to get a question answered and for trying to circumvent the limitations of being new to the forums.
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I wholeheartedly agree, the Bike Forums are very clean (other than the standard ads which enable the forums to operate in the first place), and that is a ringing endorsement of the effectiveness of the policies.
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Yes, I have noticed, and thank you and thanks to the other moderators who keep it that way. Merry Christmas!
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Not disputing that controls are not needed. I just think a lot of frustration could be avoided if there was not a daily limit since new posts have to be reviewed anyway. I know when I came looking forward answers I needed to interact with members and the limit meant I had to wait days for an answer.
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OK, Some forums may need more moderation than others (P&R?) but I see them to be both firm and fair.
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