TS Isaac Frame - Rebuild
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TS Isaac Frame - Rebuild
I found this bike in the basement of a shop in Portland. It was poorly setup as a single speed and as soon as I saw it, I knew I needed to have it. Over the course of a year I slowly rebuilt it with roughly era appropriate parts. I haven't seen a ton of examples of these bikes, so I figured I would add this one to the internet archive.
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beautiful build, nice job saving this bike! I love TSI's bikes, one doesn't see too many of them.
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@TeakAsh - Like the bike! Is the rear brake bridge crushed? Could you provide a picture of it?
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I'm also in for some additional close-ups: would love to see the seat cluster from the rear and some other angles, also any cut-out in the BB shell? If so would like a pic of that, too. THANKS for adding some rare and important visuals to the database!
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Nice work!!!
that is a beautiful bike. Well done rescuing it from hipsterdom.
that is a beautiful bike. Well done rescuing it from hipsterdom.
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Thanks for the interest, below are the requested pictures, I'm happy to provide any additional pictures or information.
The brake bridge is not crushed, at least it does not appear to be to me.
There is a cut-out!
There is also this interesting design inside the front fork blades.
The brake bridge is not crushed, at least it does not appear to be to me.
There is a cut-out!
There is also this interesting design inside the front fork blades.
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@TeakAsh
Very cool, great score.
Oregon or Maine?
Hate to be the one to point this out but the rust under the paint is getting the better of this frame, long term is bad.
I realize you are probably already well aware.
Very cool, great score.
Oregon or Maine?
Hate to be the one to point this out but the rust under the paint is getting the better of this frame, long term is bad.
I realize you are probably already well aware.
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I’m curious as to the actual age of this frame.
I (slightly) new Tim Isaac back when Nuovo Record was actually nuovo (early 70’s) as a fellow racer, albeit several classifications above me. Wouldn’t have thought he was building frames yet. I encountered him again, along with Curt Goodrich, decades later, probably 2004-ish, on a Rivendell-sponsored group visit to his frame building shop in Woodinville, WA. They were certainly building nice ones then!
I (slightly) new Tim Isaac back when Nuovo Record was actually nuovo (early 70’s) as a fellow racer, albeit several classifications above me. Wouldn’t have thought he was building frames yet. I encountered him again, along with Curt Goodrich, decades later, probably 2004-ish, on a Rivendell-sponsored group visit to his frame building shop in Woodinville, WA. They were certainly building nice ones then!
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@TeakAsh
Very cool, great score.
Oregon or Maine?
Hate to be the one to point this out but the rust under the paint is getting the better of this frame, long term is bad.
I realize you are probably already well aware.
Very cool, great score.
Oregon or Maine?
Hate to be the one to point this out but the rust under the paint is getting the better of this frame, long term is bad.
I realize you are probably already well aware.
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Those "spiderwebs" are annoying for what they do to paint but generally still superficial, I'd get something like FrameSaver or Boeshield into the INTERIOR of all tubing, STAT!
And thanks for these additional detail pix, very nice!!
Also re the brake bridge: my assumption is the tube the caliper mount bolt passes thru is one unit so there really is no "crush space" of the bridge itself. In which case it's not crushed, it's maybe intentionally shaped...I could be wrong of course.
And thanks for these additional detail pix, very nice!!
Also re the brake bridge: my assumption is the tube the caliper mount bolt passes thru is one unit so there really is no "crush space" of the bridge itself. In which case it's not crushed, it's maybe intentionally shaped...I could be wrong of course.
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Take good pics of all artwork and measure/document placement.
And reach out to Tim for help, he may have a line on decals.
Timisaac@matchtechnical.com
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Handsome!
Five Stars for a most tasteful build.
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passed through Woodinville in ~2000
did not know there was a framebuilder in town...
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Five Stars for a most tasteful build.
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passed through Woodinville in ~2000
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I’m curious as to the actual age of this frame.
I (slightly) new Tim Isaac back when Nuovo Record was actually nuovo (early 70’s) as a fellow racer, albeit several classifications above me. Wouldn’t have thought he was building frames yet. I encountered him again, along with Curt Goodrich, decades later, probably 2004-ish, on a Rivendell-sponsored group visit to his frame building shop in Woodinville, WA. They were certainly building nice ones then!
I (slightly) new Tim Isaac back when Nuovo Record was actually nuovo (early 70’s) as a fellow racer, albeit several classifications above me. Wouldn’t have thought he was building frames yet. I encountered him again, along with Curt Goodrich, decades later, probably 2004-ish, on a Rivendell-sponsored group visit to his frame building shop in Woodinville, WA. They were certainly building nice ones then!
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Those "spiderwebs" are annoying for what they do to paint but generally still superficial, I'd get something like FrameSaver or Boeshield into the INTERIOR of all tubing, STAT!
And thanks for these additional detail pix, very nice!!
Also re the brake bridge: my assumption is the tube the caliper mount bolt passes thru is one unit so there really is no "crush space" of the bridge itself. In which case it's not crushed, it's maybe intentionally shaped...I could be wrong of course.
And thanks for these additional detail pix, very nice!!
Also re the brake bridge: my assumption is the tube the caliper mount bolt passes thru is one unit so there really is no "crush space" of the bridge itself. In which case it's not crushed, it's maybe intentionally shaped...I could be wrong of course.
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Nice bike. Decal style suggests an early build, before 1980 certainly.
We have two TS Isaac bikes here. I converted my wife's into a 650B, upright bar bike. Mine is still drop bar, but I have lowered the gearing, retiring the 53/42 Super Record crank and installing a 48/36 Zeus crank instead.
We have two TS Isaac bikes here. I converted my wife's into a 650B, upright bar bike. Mine is still drop bar, but I have lowered the gearing, retiring the 53/42 Super Record crank and installing a 48/36 Zeus crank instead.
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TeakAsh,
I would look for a step down ferrule for the stainless cable when you do the re-build after a repaint. Great job of restoring it! Smiles, MH
I would look for a step down ferrule for the stainless cable when you do the re-build after a repaint. Great job of restoring it! Smiles, MH
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At the rear derailleur? It may not look like it in the picture, but it is a step-down. Thanks for the positive encouragement!
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Nice bike. Decal style suggests an early build, before 1980 certainly.
We have two TS Isaac bikes here. I converted my wife's into a 650B, upright bar bike. Mine is still drop bar, but I have lowered the gearing, retiring the 53/42 Super Record crank and installing a 48/36 Zeus crank instead.
We have two TS Isaac bikes here. I converted my wife's into a 650B, upright bar bike. Mine is still drop bar, but I have lowered the gearing, retiring the 53/42 Super Record crank and installing a 48/36 Zeus crank instead.
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I should have mentioned in my previous post that my initial minor connection was racing in the Denver area, long before we both moved to the PNW. Small world of cycling, more so back then.
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Cool bike! Mad respect for Tim as a builder, also a super nice guy. He made frames for the US National team at one point, don't remember what year. Then he was responsible for running the Trek frame operation during a period of explosive growth — he took them from a handful of builders to dozens, designed their lugs and dropouts and such. Also worked for China Bike I think, one of the majors in China anyway. Then Match, where I worked briefly, good times.
I agree the bridge shape looks odd but intentional, not crushed.
The pics don't show the seat cluster from the left, but I expect the hole for the pinchbolts doesn't go all the way through, am I right? On his later frames at least, the hole was bottoming, "blind" on the other side. Pretty trick.
I like your setup but I have a couple notes, if that isn't too tacky of me:
The second toothy "star" washer on the front brake goes in front of the crown, not in back. Two star washers were meant to be stacked up, to give enough thickness to get a cone wrench onto the centering flats from above, clearing the headset cup. If the crown has a curved front face and you use the matching aluminum radius washer, then use only one star washer and put the second one in your parts drawer. Two star washers stacked is only for crowns that are flat in front.
The rear brake has an extra washer behind the bridge, would look better with that removed, and then the centerbolt might reach through and engage the nylock portion of the nut. Keep the thinner washer and ditch the thicker one.
The fashion for cable housings on racing bikes back then was shorter, less arch over the bars, and also shorter at the rear derailer. Not much functional difference (or none), so probably not worth re-doing the, unless you have it apart for somethings else already. Look at pictures of Eddy Merckx for example.
Speaking of Eddy, back then most all racers removed the crank dustcaps and left them off. You certainly don't lose points from me for leaving them on; I like installing them myself, but I have gotten some grief for it over the years, not what the cool kids did. Be sure to grease (or anti-seize) the dustcap threads if you install them, because having the caps seize and strip the allen-socket on removal is super annoying. If you leave the caps off, then bolts should be Campy brand and black, not the newer-vintage silver colored ones or <shudder> Japanese 14 mm bolts <gag!>. A smear of grease or spritz of Boeshield on them slows the inevitable rusting of the bolt heads.
Thanks for sharing, I sure like looking at it.
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I agree the bridge shape looks odd but intentional, not crushed.
The pics don't show the seat cluster from the left, but I expect the hole for the pinchbolts doesn't go all the way through, am I right? On his later frames at least, the hole was bottoming, "blind" on the other side. Pretty trick.
I like your setup but I have a couple notes, if that isn't too tacky of me:
The second toothy "star" washer on the front brake goes in front of the crown, not in back. Two star washers were meant to be stacked up, to give enough thickness to get a cone wrench onto the centering flats from above, clearing the headset cup. If the crown has a curved front face and you use the matching aluminum radius washer, then use only one star washer and put the second one in your parts drawer. Two star washers stacked is only for crowns that are flat in front.
The rear brake has an extra washer behind the bridge, would look better with that removed, and then the centerbolt might reach through and engage the nylock portion of the nut. Keep the thinner washer and ditch the thicker one.
The fashion for cable housings on racing bikes back then was shorter, less arch over the bars, and also shorter at the rear derailer. Not much functional difference (or none), so probably not worth re-doing the, unless you have it apart for somethings else already. Look at pictures of Eddy Merckx for example.
Speaking of Eddy, back then most all racers removed the crank dustcaps and left them off. You certainly don't lose points from me for leaving them on; I like installing them myself, but I have gotten some grief for it over the years, not what the cool kids did. Be sure to grease (or anti-seize) the dustcap threads if you install them, because having the caps seize and strip the allen-socket on removal is super annoying. If you leave the caps off, then bolts should be Campy brand and black, not the newer-vintage silver colored ones or <shudder> Japanese 14 mm bolts <gag!>. A smear of grease or spritz of Boeshield on them slows the inevitable rusting of the bolt heads.
Thanks for sharing, I sure like looking at it.
Mark B in Seattle
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I also have a 70's Isaac and it's one of my favorite bikes.
Does your frame have a serial number? I've gathered a few together - here's what I have so far:
06 77 12 -owned by BK
12 77 77 TS -"Camchain" green road bike
01 78 79 TS -Mine
01 78 82 JF
02 79 157 -"Camchain" purple track bike
04 79 133 -owned by JT
From what I can figure, the first two digits are the month, the second two are the year, the last group are the build sequence, and the initials indicate whether Tim or Jock built it. If you look at the three frames built close together in Dec 77 - Jan 78, it appears as though they used one numbering sequence regardless of who built it. One thing that seems odd is that the first frame in the list has such a low sequence number. Tim started building in 74 and Jock joined him in 76, so I'm sure they had built a lot more than 12 frames by June 77. Maybe that's just when they started using the numbering system.
I would encourage you to try contacting Tim at Match Technical. He was very friendly when I emailed him several years ago when I got my frame. I don't recall seeing those star cutouts before - I'm guessing this is an earlier frame.
The Classic Rendezvous page has links to a TS Isaac brochure and an interesting 1999 interview of Tim for the Rivendell Reader. https://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/Isaac-Tim.htm
Does your frame have a serial number? I've gathered a few together - here's what I have so far:
06 77 12 -owned by BK
12 77 77 TS -"Camchain" green road bike
01 78 79 TS -Mine
01 78 82 JF
02 79 157 -"Camchain" purple track bike
04 79 133 -owned by JT
From what I can figure, the first two digits are the month, the second two are the year, the last group are the build sequence, and the initials indicate whether Tim or Jock built it. If you look at the three frames built close together in Dec 77 - Jan 78, it appears as though they used one numbering sequence regardless of who built it. One thing that seems odd is that the first frame in the list has such a low sequence number. Tim started building in 74 and Jock joined him in 76, so I'm sure they had built a lot more than 12 frames by June 77. Maybe that's just when they started using the numbering system.
I would encourage you to try contacting Tim at Match Technical. He was very friendly when I emailed him several years ago when I got my frame. I don't recall seeing those star cutouts before - I'm guessing this is an earlier frame.
The Classic Rendezvous page has links to a TS Isaac brochure and an interesting 1999 interview of Tim for the Rivendell Reader. https://www.classicrendezvous.com/USA/Isaac-Tim.htm
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Nice job! You just don’t see these every day.
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Then he was responsible for running the Trek frame operation during a period of explosive growth — he took them from a handful of builders to dozens, designed their lugs and dropouts and such. Also worked for China Bike I think, one of the majors in China anyway. Then Match, where I worked briefly, good times.
The pics don't show the seat cluster from the left, but I expect the hole for the pinchbolts doesn't go all the way through, am I right? On his later frames at least, the hole was bottoming, "blind" on the other side. Pretty trick.
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