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After that Jack Bauer stage, I was making jokes about sprinters stealing things. Well, this sea lion is totally a sprinter.
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The reference is to the 13 TT wins by Hinault. All 13 in the TDF.
As far as best all rounder, Big Mig eclipses Nibali in that domain as Indurain was also well capable of winning a sprint, TT or Mountain Stage.
I respect Nibali but let's keep it real. he has a long palmare to fill before he can approach Indurain, let alone Hinault.
As far as best all rounder, Big Mig eclipses Nibali in that domain as Indurain was also well capable of winning a sprint, TT or Mountain Stage.
I respect Nibali but let's keep it real. he has a long palmare to fill before he can approach Indurain, let alone Hinault.
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*and to clarify, i'm not suggesting anything untoward.
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I think Nibali's past is iffy at best. However at least he's not just embarrassing the rest of the field (ala froome). I mean until yesterday he really hadn't left everyone in the dust. Considering he really was probably third favorite for the tour, the big time gap really hasn't been from like overpowering mountain finishes, it's just because his two main rivals on the same level weren't there and he had gained some great time on other non mountain stages. To me, it's a very believable TdF winner, very all around, very impressive overall performance. But who knows really.
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I think Nibali's past is iffy at best. However at least he's not just embarrassing the rest of the field (ala froome). I mean until yesterday he really hadn't left everyone in the dust. Considering he really was probably third favorite for the tour, the big time gap really hasn't been from like overpowering mountain finishes, it's just because his two main rivals on the same level weren't there and he had gained some great time on other non mountain stages. To me, it's a very believable TdF winner, very all around, very impressive overall performance. But who knows really.
I agree. Not to mention, the mountain stages have been shorter and I wouldn't say that this tour was as hard as the past tours aside from the climate. Not to mention, Nibali can set a pretty steady pace climbing. He doesn't have to jump on attacks and that can really make a difference.
BTW, those kemo bikes are SICK!! wish they were sold in the USA.
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I think Nibali's past is iffy at best. However at least he's not just embarrassing the rest of the field (ala froome). I mean until yesterday he really hadn't left everyone in the dust. Considering he really was probably third favorite for the tour, the big time gap really hasn't been from like overpowering mountain finishes, it's just because his two main rivals on the same level weren't there and he had gained some great time on other non mountain stages. To me, it's a very believable TdF winner, very all around, very impressive overall performance. But who knows really.
He gained 1 min on everyone yesterday and 50 seconds on the stage that Contador crashed out. Those are significant chunks of time, and this doesn't include the stages where only Peraud stayed with him and everyone else conceded more than a minute. He never lost time to anyone on the mountains. If that's not overpowering, i'm not sure what is
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he's about 7 minutes ahead, 2 of those from the cobbled stage.
He gained 1 min on everyone yesterday and 50 seconds on the stage that Contador crashed out. Those are significant chunks of time, and this doesn't include the stages where only Peraud stayed with him and everyone else conceded more than a minute. He never lost time to anyone on the mountains. If that's not overpowering, i'm not sure what is
He gained 1 min on everyone yesterday and 50 seconds on the stage that Contador crashed out. Those are significant chunks of time, and this doesn't include the stages where only Peraud stayed with him and everyone else conceded more than a minute. He never lost time to anyone on the mountains. If that's not overpowering, i'm not sure what is
Creatre, are you sure you're watching the current 2014 tour de france? this is an absolute dominant performance. no one else is remotely close to him.
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he's about 7 minutes ahead, 2 of those from the cobbled stage.
He gained 1 min on everyone yesterday and 50 seconds on the stage that Contador crashed out. Those are significant chunks of time, and this doesn't include the stages where only Peraud stayed with him and everyone else conceded more than a minute. He never lost time to anyone on the mountains. If that's not overpowering, i'm not sure what is
He gained 1 min on everyone yesterday and 50 seconds on the stage that Contador crashed out. Those are significant chunks of time, and this doesn't include the stages where only Peraud stayed with him and everyone else conceded more than a minute. He never lost time to anyone on the mountains. If that's not overpowering, i'm not sure what is
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Great ride today by Garmin. Like seeing those risky impressive performances that pay off!
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i think it also speaks to the fact the the french guys we are rooting for and TVG and others are really at this point 2nd tier guys. Had Nairo been in the race, Froomey/Contador not crashed out, the time gaps to Thibot and others would probably be the same if not more and instead of podiums those guys would be fiighting spots 6-7-8.
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i think it also speaks to the fact the the french guys we are rooting for and TVG and others are really at this point 2nd tier guys. Had Nairo been in the race, Froomey/Contador not crashed out, the time gaps to Thibot and others would probably be the same if not more and instead of podiums those guys would be fiighting spots 6-7-8.
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i think it also speaks to the fact the the french guys we are rooting for and TVG and others are really at this point 2nd tier guys. Had Nairo been in the race, Froomey/Contador not crashed out, the time gaps to Thibot and others would probably be the same if not more and instead of podiums those guys would be fiighting spots 6-7-8.
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Plus people stopped racing Nibali a while ago, they're racing each other for the podium spots. No one is going to chase him with the possibility of blowing up and losing their spot on the podium so they're all playing it safe and racing each other. I think that's making Nibali look more dominant but I don't think anyone in the race cares what he's doing now.
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garmin was less faily today, good for them.
was as about to suggest they just pack it up and come back to "dominate" the US racing scene.
as for nibali, he had to ride the same courses that crashed out the other favorites - not his fault they had bad luck/couldn't stay upright.
was as about to suggest they just pack it up and come back to "dominate" the US racing scene.
as for nibali, he had to ride the same courses that crashed out the other favorites - not his fault they had bad luck/couldn't stay upright.
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I think Nibali's past is iffy at best. However at least he's not just embarrassing the rest of the field (ala froome). I mean until yesterday he really hadn't left everyone in the dust. Considering he really was probably third favorite for the tour, the big time gap really hasn't been from like overpowering mountain finishes, it's just because his two main rivals on the same level weren't there and he had gained some great time on other non mountain stages. To me, it's a very believable TdF winner, very all around, very impressive overall performance. But who knows really.
And as already pointed out, I think it's hugely misleading to say that Nibali's "dominant" performance is evidence of doping. He's been the only true elite GC rider in the race since stage 10. No one else has given us reason to think, in the past, they should be at his level now - at least not yet. So between no one else really being in a position to challenge, plus the single biggest chunk of time he gained on the rest being due to skillful riding on the cobbles, plus no one really racing against him in the Pyrenees, since they clearly couldn't do enough to win, you get the result we have.
None of that means that we shouldn't have any skepticism, the post linked to by thechemist is a great summary of where things stand and a good guide to forming opinions about the "believability" of Nibali's performance IMO. But I personally can't go through life just assuming every good performance is due to cheating, and I have no less reason to trust that Nibali is clean than I did Sastre, or Evans, or Wiggins or Froome. Those guys could all have been on the sauce when they won, but I don't have any particular reason to believe that other than that they won. Someone has to win the damn thing, and even a dominant win isn't necessarily evidence of cheating. Nibali SHOULD be dominating this competition.
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garmin was less faily today, good for them.
was as about to suggest they just pack it up and come back to "dominate" the US racing scene.
as for nibali, he had to ride the same courses that crashed out the other favorites - not his fault they had bad luck/couldn't stay upright.
was as about to suggest they just pack it up and come back to "dominate" the US racing scene.
as for nibali, he had to ride the same courses that crashed out the other favorites - not his fault they had bad luck/couldn't stay upright.
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I know that YMCA got some **** for comparing Nibali to Hinault. but I agree. He was awesome in every aspect and dominated with winning stages in the pursuit. Now Nibali just has to do it 4 more times to make it officially on the same level.
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