At what point do you give up on drop bars?
08-30-21, 05:01 AM
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Irode my Serotta with the early '90s STI 50 miles yesterday with this conversation in mind. When I'm riding the hoods, my hands are firmly wrapped around the levers and my thumb is behind the hood. There's no reaching for the brakes because my fingers are resting across the levers. Operating is just a matter of squeezing. I think people here are misdescribing the hand position, it's not straight across, it's diagonal.
Also, I compared to braking from the drops. There's essentially no significant difference, my fingers are at approximately a right angle to the brake lever on the drpps, maybe 75-80 degrees from the hoods.
Also, I compared to braking from the drops. There's essentially no significant difference, my fingers are at approximately a right angle to the brake lever on the drpps, maybe 75-80 degrees from the hoods.
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Geez, it’s so obvious that the hoods are neither ideal for braking nor grip that I’d have thought it didn’t even merit mentioning.
I don’t have the longest fingers, but they’re not short, and I find it awfully sketchy to be bombing down a rough, bumpy road, trying to control the front end while two fingers are on the brake levers trying to generate braking force. I think that’s true for most folks, that when the going is rough and fast, the drops are the place to be because you can wrap the bars securely with two or three fingers and thumb, and have a finger on the end of the lever for maximum leverage and braking force.
I don’t have the longest fingers, but they’re not short, and I find it awfully sketchy to be bombing down a rough, bumpy road, trying to control the front end while two fingers are on the brake levers trying to generate braking force. I think that’s true for most folks, that when the going is rough and fast, the drops are the place to be because you can wrap the bars securely with two or three fingers and thumb, and have a finger on the end of the lever for maximum leverage and braking force.
The assertion that I was arguing with was that people who don't ride the drops should get bullhorns. Given what you say above, I don't think you'd agree with the bullhorn only strategy.
I'm still puzzled by this because I've never had a problem controlling the bike and braking from the hoods, and I've bombed down some pretty bumpy hills doing so. I really don't get how people are having so much trouble with their hood grips. Maybe you're just doing it wrong?
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08-30-21, 11:25 AM
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Ride up a mountain into the wind, the mountains, funnel the trade winds. I work at sealevel, but I live at 2000 meters,
I get on the drops and my road bike has a mountain bike cassette. Warning on the drops, going to work, I have seen 65 mph.
I get on the drops and my road bike has a mountain bike cassette. Warning on the drops, going to work, I have seen 65 mph.
08-30-21, 11:31 AM
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OK, so I grew up with BMX bikes and later rode mountain bikes. It really wasn't until last year that I spent any time with drop bars, and I find myself just NOT getting along with them. I wonder if I'm just too old, too fat and too set in my ways to get along with them.
On my vintage Bianchi I finally swapped out the old-style drops for some Soma Highway Ones, and that did make a huge difference there. At least now I find I'm riding on my palms instead of the heel of my hand, so it's *way* more comfortable. But I'm still pretty much never on the drops.
At what point do I just decide that drops just ain't for me? I mean, there are plenty of other handlebars out there that will give you multiple hand positions, and if you're not using the drops, why bother with them? I could just throw some bullhorns on or something.
On my vintage Bianchi I finally swapped out the old-style drops for some Soma Highway Ones, and that did make a huge difference there. At least now I find I'm riding on my palms instead of the heel of my hand, so it's *way* more comfortable. But I'm still pretty much never on the drops.
At what point do I just decide that drops just ain't for me? I mean, there are plenty of other handlebars out there that will give you multiple hand positions, and if you're not using the drops, why bother with them? I could just throw some bullhorns on or something.
08-30-21, 11:31 AM
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This setup is similar to the one I have - and love!
When returning to regular cycling I realized my body just wasn't going to be able to bend as much as when I was younger. If I wasn't comfortable I wasn't going to want to ride, and that was the point. So I went with flat bars and the inner SQ-like thingys. I don't ride fast enough to need the lower "drops" position and now I have all the options and variation I need for a comfortable ride.
When returning to regular cycling I realized my body just wasn't going to be able to bend as much as when I was younger. If I wasn't comfortable I wasn't going to want to ride, and that was the point. So I went with flat bars and the inner SQ-like thingys. I don't ride fast enough to need the lower "drops" position and now I have all the options and variation I need for a comfortable ride.
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Irode my Serotta with the early '90s STI 50 miles yesterday with this conversation in mind. When I'm riding the hoods, my hands are firmly wrapped around the levers and my thumb is behind the hood. There's no reaching for the brakes because my fingers are resting across the levers. Operating is just a matter of squeezing. I think people here are misdescribing the hand position, it's not straight across, it's diagonal.
Also, I compared to braking from the drops. There's essentially no significant difference, my fingers are at approximately a right angle to the brake lever on the drpps, maybe 75-80 degrees from the hoods.
Also, I compared to braking from the drops. There's essentially no significant difference, my fingers are at approximately a right angle to the brake lever on the drpps, maybe 75-80 degrees from the hoods.
By contrast, the non-aero levers on my two 1982 bikes have terrible leverage from the hoods, largely because while from the drops you're pulling the lever straight back, from the hoods you're mostly pushing the lever toward the bar. Even late-80s aero levers give you a lot more leverage.
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And if I remember right, we were always told we were supposed to set up the bars with the straight part at the bottom of the drop parallel to the ground. Thus the hoods would be pointing down.... But I don't remember "on the hoods" even being considered a rideable position in those days. My first road bike had some sort of sharp aluminum brake levers and it would have been supremely uncomfortable to put my hands there.
new bars are flat on top with a smaller radius curve and still ending with a flat bottom. the hoods with be horizontal on the new style bars but never the old.
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Dropping the drops
OK, so I grew up with BMX bikes and later rode mountain bikes. It really wasn't until last year that I spent any time with drop bars, and I find myself just NOT getting along with them. I wonder if I'm just too old, too fat and too set in my ways to get along with them.
On my vintage Bianchi I finally swapped out the old-style drops for some Soma Highway Ones, and that did make a huge difference there. At least now I find I'm riding on my palms instead of the heel of my hand, so it's *way* more comfortable. But I'm still pretty much never on the drops.
And now I have this old Trek 520, and I find myself again not getting along with the vintage-style bars. And again, I'm riding on the heels of my hand, which is just a recipe for pain. I could adjust them a bit, or I could get another set of Highway Ones, but I still don't know if I'd ever actually get into the drops.
Do I need to just power through and force myself onto the drops until I see the advantages? At what point do I just decide that drops just ain't for me? I mean, there are plenty of other handlebars out there that will give you multiple hand positions, and if you're not using the drops, why bother with them? I could just throw some bullhorns on or something.
On my vintage Bianchi I finally swapped out the old-style drops for some Soma Highway Ones, and that did make a huge difference there. At least now I find I'm riding on my palms instead of the heel of my hand, so it's *way* more comfortable. But I'm still pretty much never on the drops.
And now I have this old Trek 520, and I find myself again not getting along with the vintage-style bars. And again, I'm riding on the heels of my hand, which is just a recipe for pain. I could adjust them a bit, or I could get another set of Highway Ones, but I still don't know if I'd ever actually get into the drops.
Do I need to just power through and force myself onto the drops until I see the advantages? At what point do I just decide that drops just ain't for me? I mean, there are plenty of other handlebars out there that will give you multiple hand positions, and if you're not using the drops, why bother with them? I could just throw some bullhorns on or something.
It’s my favorite bike now and i wasn’t riding it because i wasn’t comfortable on it. I seldom ride over 20mph so wind resistance is not a factor sitting more upright.
08-30-21, 12:23 PM
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Yes, this is a big part of what I'm dealing with... vintage-style drops. On my Nishiki, I gave up and put bullhorns. On the Bianchi, the swap to highway ones brought it more into line with the top image. Phenomenally more comfortable on the hoods, but I still don't find myself on the drops, pretty much ever.
Which brings me to the current bike, the trek, also sporting vintage-style drops. I can clock the bars up to be flatter and make riding the hoods pretty comfortable. But when I do so, the drops are now at a ~30 degree angle and don't seem particularly useful, even if I were inclined to use them.
I could install more modern drops, which I know I like more, but I still don't have any reason to believe I'd use the drops. I don't on the Bianchi.
I don't think this is a fit question. I've been pondering this across 3 bikes, using multiple bars and stems. I can get comfortable with the bars, but I can't seem to make the dropped position make sense to me.
Which brings me to the current bike, the trek, also sporting vintage-style drops. I can clock the bars up to be flatter and make riding the hoods pretty comfortable. But when I do so, the drops are now at a ~30 degree angle and don't seem particularly useful, even if I were inclined to use them.
I could install more modern drops, which I know I like more, but I still don't have any reason to believe I'd use the drops. I don't on the Bianchi.
I don't think this is a fit question. I've been pondering this across 3 bikes, using multiple bars and stems. I can get comfortable with the bars, but I can't seem to make the dropped position make sense to me.
08-30-21, 12:38 PM
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OK, so I grew up with BMX bikes and later rode mountain bikes. It really wasn't until last year that I spent any time with drop bars, and I find myself just NOT getting along with them. I wonder if I'm just too old, too fat and too set in my ways to get along with them.
On my vintage Bianchi I finally swapped out the old-style drops for some Soma Highway Ones, and that did make a huge difference there. At least now I find I'm riding on my palms instead of the heel of my hand, so it's *way* more comfortable. But I'm still pretty much never on the drops.
And now I have this old Trek 520, and I find myself again not getting along with the vintage-style bars. And again, I'm riding on the heels of my hand, which is just a recipe for pain. I could adjust them a bit, or I could get another set of Highway Ones, but I still don't know if I'd ever actually get into the drops.
Do I need to just power through and force myself onto the drops until I see the advantages? At what point do I just decide that drops just ain't for me? I mean, there are plenty of other handlebars out there that will give you multiple hand positions, and if you're not using the drops, why bother with them? I could just throw some bullhorns on or something.
On my vintage Bianchi I finally swapped out the old-style drops for some Soma Highway Ones, and that did make a huge difference there. At least now I find I'm riding on my palms instead of the heel of my hand, so it's *way* more comfortable. But I'm still pretty much never on the drops.
And now I have this old Trek 520, and I find myself again not getting along with the vintage-style bars. And again, I'm riding on the heels of my hand, which is just a recipe for pain. I could adjust them a bit, or I could get another set of Highway Ones, but I still don't know if I'd ever actually get into the drops.
Do I need to just power through and force myself onto the drops until I see the advantages? At what point do I just decide that drops just ain't for me? I mean, there are plenty of other handlebars out there that will give you multiple hand positions, and if you're not using the drops, why bother with them? I could just throw some bullhorns on or something.
08-30-21, 12:42 PM
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After realizing that I never use the drops for more than a few minutes ina 6 to 8 h ride, I moved away from drops on my touring bike and use a flat handlebar with mountain bike type shifters (deore 11 speed) but have also installed some short bull horn extensions. When in need of speed or head wind, i get low down and use the bull horns.
On my road racing bike I have kept the drops since I have Ultegra brake shifters and they are just too effective and comfortable to let go off. So I kept the drops but again I hardly ride on them.
One thing I found out is that I cannot breath freely enough when I am on the drops compared to riding on the top of the flat bar or on the hoods of the drop bar.
It's all personal preference and if you don't race, just go with what is comfortable, not what is in vogue or used by the pro's
On my road racing bike I have kept the drops since I have Ultegra brake shifters and they are just too effective and comfortable to let go off. So I kept the drops but again I hardly ride on them.
One thing I found out is that I cannot breath freely enough when I am on the drops compared to riding on the top of the flat bar or on the hoods of the drop bar.
It's all personal preference and if you don't race, just go with what is comfortable, not what is in vogue or used by the pro's
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To me, it makes little sense to force my arms to rotate to a different position. But to each their own.
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OK, so I grew up with BMX bikes and later rode mountain bikes. It really wasn't until last year that I spent any time with drop bars, and I find myself just NOT getting along with them. I wonder if I'm just too old, too fat and too set in my ways to get along with them.
On my vintage Bianchi I finally swapped out the old-style drops for some Soma Highway Ones, and that did make a huge difference there. At least now I find I'm riding on my palms instead of the heel of my hand, so it's *way* more comfortable. But I'm still pretty much never on the drops.
And now I have this old Trek 520, and I find myself again not getting along with the vintage-style bars. And again, I'm riding on the heels of my hand, which is just a recipe for pain. I could adjust them a bit, or I could get another set of Highway Ones, but I still don't know if I'd ever actually get into the drops.
Do I need to just power through and force myself onto the drops until I see the advantages? At what point do I just decide that drops just ain't for me? I mean, there are plenty of other handlebars out there that will give you multiple hand positions, and if you're not using the drops, why bother with them? I could just throw some bullhorns on or something.
On my vintage Bianchi I finally swapped out the old-style drops for some Soma Highway Ones, and that did make a huge difference there. At least now I find I'm riding on my palms instead of the heel of my hand, so it's *way* more comfortable. But I'm still pretty much never on the drops.
And now I have this old Trek 520, and I find myself again not getting along with the vintage-style bars. And again, I'm riding on the heels of my hand, which is just a recipe for pain. I could adjust them a bit, or I could get another set of Highway Ones, but I still don't know if I'd ever actually get into the drops.
Do I need to just power through and force myself onto the drops until I see the advantages? At what point do I just decide that drops just ain't for me? I mean, there are plenty of other handlebars out there that will give you multiple hand positions, and if you're not using the drops, why bother with them? I could just throw some bullhorns on or something.
08-30-21, 01:28 PM
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The top of the bar is barely an inch lower than the top of the saddle. The reach is correct, allowing my elbows to bend a little.
So the drops are just another comfortable hand position. I like that I have contact with my whole palm. That's easier on my slightly sore hand joints (I'm in my upper 60s). It's way more comfortable on rough roads than using the hoods. Aero too!
I rarely used the drops years go. The setup wasn't quite right, and the bars too low, and the bar curve was terrible. It was only for fast downhills and extreme headwinds.
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I gave up on drop handle bars for two reasons.
They were hell on my "bulging discs".
And because the arthritis in my hands is so bad I coouldn't work the brakes.
I have a road bike with flat handle bars.
They were hell on my "bulging discs".
And because the arthritis in my hands is so bad I coouldn't work the brakes.
I have a road bike with flat handle bars.
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Even if I never used the drops, I would rather have road levers than a flat bar and mtb trigger shifters. My hands naturally angle with thumb and pointer finger facing forward when arms are at my side. When my arms are in front of me, my thumb and pointer finger naturally face up. That is the exact position of STI levers.
To me, it makes little sense to force my arms to rotate to a different position. But to each their own.
To me, it makes little sense to force my arms to rotate to a different position. But to each their own.
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These hoods vs drops discussions always seem to break down the same way. Very experienced riders saying the danger and awkwardness of hoods are self-evident vs. equally experienced riders who have no idea why anyone would think that.
I never have a sense that my hands are not secure on the hoods or that braking is somehow more awkward or difficult than in the drops. Your post makes me wonder if you and I have a "natural" hand position that's different from people who are finding the hoods awkward and dangerous.
Mostly, though, I find these conversations funny because (although I've never actually counted), I suspect 90% + of people I see riding on drop bars are riding on the hoods. There's a certain amount of "nobody goes there, it's too crowded" aspect to these conversations. If the downside of the hood position is so obvious, why is it so popular?
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I gave up drops and DF bikes in 2008 when I got my first recumbent. Now I ride in comfort.
08-30-21, 03:10 PM
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I'm 68 years old and use a 10cm or 4 inch saddle to bar drop. I use Easton ec-90 bars with 80mm reach and 120mm drop. I ride steep hills and winding mountain roads. On the descents I use the drops at high speeds up to 56mph, or those with tight turns. If I'm cruising on flatter terrain, placing my palms over the top of the brake hoods with my forearms horizontal produces an aerodynamic position.
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These hoods vs drops discussions always seem to break down the same way. Very experienced riders saying the danger and awkwardness of hoods are self-evident vs. equally experienced riders who have no idea why anyone would think that.
I never have a sense that my hands are not secure on the hoods or that braking is somehow more awkward or difficult than in the drops. Your post makes me wonder if you and I have a "natural" hand position that's different from people who are finding the hoods awkward and dangerous.
Mostly, though, I find these conversations funny because (although I've never actually counted), I suspect 90% + of people I see riding on drop bars are riding on the hoods. There's a certain amount of "nobody goes there, it's too crowded" aspect to these conversations. If the downside of the hood position is so obvious, why is it so popular?
THIS
These hoods vs drops discussions always seem to break down the same way. Very experienced riders saying the danger and awkwardness of hoods are self-evident vs. equally experienced riders who have no idea why anyone would think that.
I never have a sense that my hands are not secure on the hoods or that braking is somehow more awkward or difficult than in the drops. Your post makes me wonder if you and I have a "natural" hand position that's different from people who are finding the hoods awkward and dangerous.
Mostly, though, I find these conversations funny because (although I've never actually counted), I suspect 90% + of people I see riding on drop bars are riding on the hoods. There's a certain amount of "nobody goes there, it's too crowded" aspect to these conversations. If the downside of the hood position is so obvious, why is it so popular?
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It might only be popular because it is more comfortable. I wonder if the hoods might be dangerous (to some) is because, I guess, one's hands could slip over the hump and off the bars (and brakes) whereas that would not happen on the drops. But I'm a top/hood rider. The drops do not work for my neck and can induce vertigo.
It's comfortable because people feel secure in the position, the posture is good and the braking/shifting is extremely convenient. I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't get comfortable in a position that felt shaky and insecure.
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I see people assert that hand bouncing (slipping) off the hoods scenario on bf all of the time, but I'm convinced my hands are firmly wrapped around the hoods and levers and aren't budging. Maybe it'll happen on the 10 thousandth pothole I go over riding the hoods.
It's comfortable because people feel secure in the position, the posture is good and the braking/shifting is extremely convenient. I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't get comfortable in a position that felt shaky and insecure.
It's comfortable because people feel secure in the position, the posture is good and the braking/shifting is extremely convenient. I don't know about anyone else, but I couldn't get comfortable in a position that felt shaky and insecure.
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08-31-21, 12:32 AM
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I do fast downhills on both the hoods and the drops, some are quite bumpy and have never had an issue on either. I have to admit that braking is noticeably stronger from the drops though.
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Ok.. where did these iridescent bars come from?
Those bars are really beautiful .. who makes those?
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I haven't given up on my dropbars. In fact I've converted my MTB to a dropbar and bar-end shifters to use as a dirt/gravel road touring bike. There's an entire thread dedicated to conversions from straight MTB bars to dropbars.
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