Big Crash and sister's husband said he's selling the Bike
07-29-16, 12:55 PM
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Actually, I think he may have served more than 2 years ... he might even be still in jail.
At 2 years, he was up for parole and it was granted. But then he failed a drug test and it was revoked.
At 2 years, he was up for parole and it was granted. But then he failed a drug test and it was revoked.
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07-29-16, 01:25 PM
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I just can't imagine the attraction that some have to drugs and alcohol. A friend's son's life has been crumbling around him in part due to alcohol, and he just can't walk away from it. Perhaps drinking to put the misery behind him... but it just makes it all worse.
07-29-16, 01:53 PM
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I saw an episode of "Intervention" where they discussed the burgeoning heroin epidemic. Apparently, a lot of them being taking vicodin or hydrocodone or another opiate. They enjoy the sensation and are shortly thereafter physically dependent on them.
I've had a LOT of surgeries, and been given different opiates for pain relief. Those opiates don't do anything for me but relieve pain and give me constipation. As soon as the pain subsides at all, I'm off to the over the counter land of ibuprophen, aspirin and acetaminophen, and naproxen. They work about as well anyway.
My guess is that there are biologic and emotional components to the addiction.
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I was with a friend who was ahead of me on 700 X 28 tires.
He investigated the area.
He said he felt a wiggle from his tires when he got in an 3 year old patched crack.
Me with 23's was forced into the grass.
Hit a 1 inch pipe in the grass...Also had two auto drivers witness the crash.
They called 911.
Landed on the Left side on my helmeted head. Destroying the #4 eye nerve.
Bruising the Left side of Brain.
Than the brain bounce to my right side bruising It.
10 weeks later requiring emergency Brain Surgery to stop the Internal Brain Bleeding.
He investigated the area.
He said he felt a wiggle from his tires when he got in an 3 year old patched crack.
Me with 23's was forced into the grass.
Hit a 1 inch pipe in the grass...Also had two auto drivers witness the crash.
They called 911.
Landed on the Left side on my helmeted head. Destroying the #4 eye nerve.
Bruising the Left side of Brain.
Than the brain bounce to my right side bruising It.
10 weeks later requiring emergency Brain Surgery to stop the Internal Brain Bleeding.
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07-29-16, 02:23 PM
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I had this head clamp. (The clamp from Hell)They drilled Two Holes in the Brain to reach the Damaged area.
Warning you may regret watching this.
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Warning you may regret watching this.
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07-30-16, 02:59 PM
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As far as her husband, he too may not see it the same way. That's why the tension.
Solution: look at it from the big picture.
07-30-16, 09:06 PM
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I view happiness as sometimes temporary and then there's eternal. That is the big thing here. Its a moral question; what she could do and what she should do.
As far as her husband, he too may not see it the same way. That's why the tension.
Solution: look at it from the big picture.
As far as her husband, he too may not see it the same way. That's why the tension.
Solution: look at it from the big picture.
07-31-16, 09:16 AM
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I view happiness as sometimes temporary and then there's eternal. That is the big thing here. Its a moral question; what she could do and what she should do.
As far as her husband, he too may not see it the same way. That's why the tension.
Solution: look at it from the big picture.
As far as her husband, he too may not see it the same way. That's why the tension.
Solution: look at it from the big picture.
07-31-16, 11:20 AM
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Thinking about this, I think there is a bit of over-reacting everywhere.
The sister's husband likely has a genuine concern. Some kind of irrecoverable injury is not good for anybody.
The problem is that there are both risks and benefits of cycling, both physical and mental. And these have to be carefully weighted with the decision being ultimately that of the rider. Watching a person decline because of injury, or decline because of inactivity are both bad.
Ultimatums, however, are never good for any relationship.
I'd suggest everyone step back. Take a breather. Then decide how to continue an active and healthy lifestyle as safely as possible. Whether it is to ride bike paths, get a trike, or just live and learn.
The sister's husband likely has a genuine concern. Some kind of irrecoverable injury is not good for anybody.
The problem is that there are both risks and benefits of cycling, both physical and mental. And these have to be carefully weighted with the decision being ultimately that of the rider. Watching a person decline because of injury, or decline because of inactivity are both bad.
Ultimatums, however, are never good for any relationship.
I'd suggest everyone step back. Take a breather. Then decide how to continue an active and healthy lifestyle as safely as possible. Whether it is to ride bike paths, get a trike, or just live and learn.
07-31-16, 12:42 PM
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Been riding all my life, never had a crash. If I did, I'd probably take it as a sign it was time to hang it up. Riding's dangerous - most riders I know have had an incident. Distracted driving seems to be on the rise. My son's a family man and breadwinner and gets his exercise in other ways, which is sensible in my view.
07-31-16, 07:51 PM
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https://journalistsresource.org/studies/environment/transportation/comparing-fatality-risks-united-states-transportation-across-modes-time#
Over 30,000 motorists across the US die each year from collisions.
The same report sites 6000 pedestrians and cyclists die each year (from collisions with motor vehicles).
Odd that cyclists would give up cycling after a wipe out but motorists don't give up driving after a collision - and there are lots every day.
09-05-16, 09:08 PM
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I broke my back in a crash 5 years ago, wife said I was never getting on a bike again, but didn't sell any. Took me three years to do so, and even slight descents scare the dickens out of me still. I had a head injury, destroyed my helmet and still have no memory of that crash, and still find things I have forgot how to do... Everyone needs to find their own center in their relationships, hopefully, the brother in law settles out without doing anything rash...
09-06-16, 12:53 PM
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Maybe she can give up the bikes and take up horses. 
09-06-16, 06:21 PM
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Her husband should pull out the stats of motorist fatalities and find that it's much higher.
Transportation safety over time: Cars, planes, trains, walking, cycling - Journalist's Resource Journalist's Resource
Over 30,000 motorists across the US die each year from collisions.
The same report sites 6000 pedestrians and cyclists die each year (from collisions with motor vehicles).
Odd that cyclists would give up cycling after a wipe out but motorists don't give up driving after a collision - and there are lots every day.
Transportation safety over time: Cars, planes, trains, walking, cycling - Journalist's Resource Journalist's Resource
Over 30,000 motorists across the US die each year from collisions.
The same report sites 6000 pedestrians and cyclists die each year (from collisions with motor vehicles).
Odd that cyclists would give up cycling after a wipe out but motorists don't give up driving after a collision - and there are lots every day.
09-06-16, 06:42 PM
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You gonna eat that?
This is where I'm at. Your sister and her husband are married adults. Let them work it out.
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I live in the Milwaukee area and because of the way idiots drive here, I don't ride on roads if I can avoid it. Fortunately, we finally have a system of bike trails and this is possible. I have ridden recently as therapy after dislocating my kneecap and it's great that the trail is very close to my house, but I became a bit bored with the nearest 5 miles, so I started taking my bike to places where I could start and ride farther along.
Find bike trails and avoid roads. Start slow.
Find bike trails and avoid roads. Start slow.
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Well, now it has me wondering how this turned out.
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I live in the Milwaukee area and because of the way idiots drive here, I don't ride on roads if I can avoid it. Fortunately, we finally have a system of bike trails and this is possible. I have ridden recently as therapy after dislocating my kneecap and it's great that the trail is very close to my house, but I became a bit bored with the nearest 5 miles, so I started taking my bike to places where I could start and ride farther along.
Find bike trails and avoid roads. Start slow.
Find bike trails and avoid roads. Start slow.
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11-22-21, 01:18 PM
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I haven't heard of any driver quitting driving after a car crash. And that happens everyday because you read about it in the news.
11-22-21, 01:50 PM
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As long as your sister is of sound mind, she can make her own decision about her bike and riding it. IMO.
Stats 50,000 people injured in bicycle crashes with motor vehicles in 2014 (about 10% of all bicycle related ER visits) Traffic Safety Facts out of maybe 10 billion miles ridden. That would be one for every 200,000 miles.
When someone is throwing per capita statistics around to make a point about risk, he needs to relate it to the proportion of people biking in that demographic and the exposure (number of miles they ride). I suspect that the injury attorney brother in law is ignoring the latter. For example the median age of ER patients is rising, but riding by adults is rising while riding by children has been dropping. Claiming that it's becoming more dangerous for adults because of per capita ER stats is therefore incorrect.
One could argue that male riders have 2.7 times the ER visits as do females (without motor vehicle involvement), but that would be making the same error he does. Fewer female riders, going fewer miles.
Similarly, the over 65 crowd rides more miles than anyone else. Characteristics of the Regular Adult Bicycle User - Analysis of data on an aggregate basis So of course they'll have more accidents per person. We're talking median range of 5-7,000 miles, which may be more than what your sister does.
It's true that older riders do have a higher risk of having an accident while biking, and potentially greater severity, but probably not as drastically as your brother in law is portraying it.
Stats 50,000 people injured in bicycle crashes with motor vehicles in 2014 (about 10% of all bicycle related ER visits) Traffic Safety Facts out of maybe 10 billion miles ridden. That would be one for every 200,000 miles.
When someone is throwing per capita statistics around to make a point about risk, he needs to relate it to the proportion of people biking in that demographic and the exposure (number of miles they ride). I suspect that the injury attorney brother in law is ignoring the latter. For example the median age of ER patients is rising, but riding by adults is rising while riding by children has been dropping. Claiming that it's becoming more dangerous for adults because of per capita ER stats is therefore incorrect.
One could argue that male riders have 2.7 times the ER visits as do females (without motor vehicle involvement), but that would be making the same error he does. Fewer female riders, going fewer miles.
Similarly, the over 65 crowd rides more miles than anyone else. Characteristics of the Regular Adult Bicycle User - Analysis of data on an aggregate basis So of course they'll have more accidents per person. We're talking median range of 5-7,000 miles, which may be more than what your sister does.
It's true that older riders do have a higher risk of having an accident while biking, and potentially greater severity, but probably not as drastically as your brother in law is portraying it.
11-22-21, 03:27 PM
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I think the difference here is lack of choice. Most people need to drive whether they like it or not. Cycling is often purely recreational, so they can choose to quit and do something else if they perceive it to be dangerous after a bad experience.
11-22-21, 04:01 PM
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That's too bad. If people quit driving after each crash, roads would be so much safer for everbody and cities would have so much better character.
11-22-21, 09:55 PM
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If people stopped driving like idiots, driving drunk, driving distracted, and had better training and better attitudes many accidents could be avoided in the first place.
