Broke the Cinelli double straps
#1
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Broke the Cinelli double straps
Just right now , kind of a bummer because I am working , any double straps recommendations , don't say Toshi please.
At least i have some Alfredo Binda singles lying around .
Till I make it home
At least i have some Alfredo Binda singles lying around .
Till I make it home
#2
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I use single nylon straps as they don't stretch and and never snap. Nearly impossible to find a set of nylon double though.
#3
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I rode toe clips for years and leather straps just don't hold up and the new modern ones are not nearly the same quality as the ones we used to buy. Low demand = low quality but you still pay $$'s for them. I cut my teeth on toe clips but only have them on one bike, a mid-1980's Raleigh Wyoming, mostly for nostalgia.
BTW, I use a new-ish Christophe strap to hold my leather tool roll on my saddle and after a year it's about to break and it just sits there. Like I said, the new ones just don't hold up.
BTW, I use a new-ish Christophe strap to hold my leather tool roll on my saddle and after a year it's about to break and it just sits there. Like I said, the new ones just don't hold up.
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I've taken to going to Portland's excellent leather store and buying quality leather cut into 1/2" strips. I treat the leather with Sno-seal, blacken most of them with leather dye and rivet them to the better old buckles. Not as good as Bindas, better than Christophes. Far cheaper than either. They never slip until they are very visibly worn.
I've only used a few nylon straps over the years and all that I have used slip if I pull hard enough. For me, that is completely unacceptable. It means I have to walk up hills I am strong enough to do on the fix gear. And sometimes I hurt myself when my foot pulls out.
Edit: I forgot you wanted double straps. The store here could do that (I believe) if you brought them a pattern. If not, they'd have ideas on how to do it. Leather is what they do.
I've only used a few nylon straps over the years and all that I have used slip if I pull hard enough. For me, that is completely unacceptable. It means I have to walk up hills I am strong enough to do on the fix gear. And sometimes I hurt myself when my foot pulls out.
Edit: I forgot you wanted double straps. The store here could do that (I believe) if you brought them a pattern. If not, they'd have ideas on how to do it. Leather is what they do.
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#5
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The Cinelli straps lasted 2 winters , they weren't that bad though.
#6
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Running the straps Frankenstein style of using the two Bindas in the same pedal as a double? Now I have two buckles for extra safety.
#7
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how long were you riding with them before they broke? I just got mine a month ago. is it time to start looking somewhere else?
#8
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The age-old question on fixed gear foot retention
Trying to keep that vintage feel of double leather straps while also having security in your foot is no easy task. Vintage steel track bikes beg for the 'toe clips, leather double straps combo' and screech away from the 'nylon toe strap, platform pedal'.
The best rule to keep in mind when looking to build the classic pedal set-up is to look for laminated leather double straps. The "laminate" is a layer of tough plastic that sits between two pieces of leather that together form a high-quality strap. That laminate will prevent the strap from stretching and will make it last for a great deal longer than 'unlaminated, single-layered leather straps'.
Two ways of inspecting for this valuable difference is to:
1) Check whether the straps have an off-colour underside (usually grey or white untreated leather) or whether the straps are black on both sides.
2) Check whether there are two rivets attaching the buckle to the strap (higher end, tougher, laminated) or whether there is one rivet per buckle (lower end, unlaminated). To the experienced eye, you can also notice what looks like a very thin film in between the two layers of leather - that's the laminate!
For example
White underside and one rivet for the buckle (per strap). This is the lower end set of straps MKS offers for a cheaper price. Non-NJS
Black on both sides and two rivets. This is the 'fit-alpha' set that MKS offers. NJS-approved!
That thin layer in the middle is the laminate. Photo taken from MKS 'fit-alpha'
MKS 'fit alpha' and Kashimax 'dual sprint' are both laminated double straps that are sure to last. They also look insanely bling!
I have to add, though, that if your feet are bigger than a size US 10, you should probably go with BMX platforms + nylon YNOT/HoldFast/Fixation straps. The latter don't have any restraint on how forward you can position your feet whereas toe clips do. Even with size L toe clips (the largest size I've been able find), the ball of your foot won't ever be on top of the pedal's spindle and that will leave you with extreme discomfort. Unless you're able to get custom-made XL or XXL toe clips I'd say steer away from the classic set up.
The best rule to keep in mind when looking to build the classic pedal set-up is to look for laminated leather double straps. The "laminate" is a layer of tough plastic that sits between two pieces of leather that together form a high-quality strap. That laminate will prevent the strap from stretching and will make it last for a great deal longer than 'unlaminated, single-layered leather straps'.
Two ways of inspecting for this valuable difference is to:
1) Check whether the straps have an off-colour underside (usually grey or white untreated leather) or whether the straps are black on both sides.
2) Check whether there are two rivets attaching the buckle to the strap (higher end, tougher, laminated) or whether there is one rivet per buckle (lower end, unlaminated). To the experienced eye, you can also notice what looks like a very thin film in between the two layers of leather - that's the laminate!
For example
White underside and one rivet for the buckle (per strap). This is the lower end set of straps MKS offers for a cheaper price. Non-NJS
Black on both sides and two rivets. This is the 'fit-alpha' set that MKS offers. NJS-approved!
That thin layer in the middle is the laminate. Photo taken from MKS 'fit-alpha'
MKS 'fit alpha' and Kashimax 'dual sprint' are both laminated double straps that are sure to last. They also look insanely bling!
- https://www.tracksupermarket.com/ped...black-njs.html
- https://www.tracksupermarket.com/kas...traps-njs.html
To my knowledge, engine 11 also make some great leather straps.- https://www.tracksupermarket.com/kas...traps-njs.html
I have to add, though, that if your feet are bigger than a size US 10, you should probably go with BMX platforms + nylon YNOT/HoldFast/Fixation straps. The latter don't have any restraint on how forward you can position your feet whereas toe clips do. Even with size L toe clips (the largest size I've been able find), the ball of your foot won't ever be on top of the pedal's spindle and that will leave you with extreme discomfort. Unless you're able to get custom-made XL or XXL toe clips I'd say steer away from the classic set up.