One more excuse to skip riding when it's cold
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The OP's title is obviously a joke.
No one's telling you not to work out in the cold.
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Good that humans had the easy life of chasing an animal for hours or escaping and fighting predators. Or clearing a forest or pulling a plow by hand. No one back then read some Internet advice to figure out if running fast is a good idea. No one called it aerobic exercise, it was called escaping the angry elephant or whatever the need for the exercise was.
How do you think animals survive in the Wild? Not many bunnies die of a heart attack, they die if they don't run fast enough.
How do you think animals survive in the Wild? Not many bunnies die of a heart attack, they die if they don't run fast enough.
Back then, they were probably dying of a bacterial infection at a young age. Seriously, this cave man stuff is obviously irrelevant to a question of gearing your exercise to promote healthy longevity.
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I saw a bunch of dead ones at my favorite poultry butcher this afternoon. I’ll be making one later this month. Braised in white wine with Dijon over egg noodles. Great comfort food.
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Well I guess it is time to abolish and do away with all winter sports including winter olympics, just because some quack doctor on internet said that being active in the cold is dangerous.
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Continuous aerobic activity is perfectly fine and healthy as long as you stay is zone 2 or below...The problem starts when people push too hard with too much intensity for too long too frequently. The root of the problem is modern fitness industry and their "no pain no gain mentality" which advocates and encourages that people push themselves into complete exhaustion.by performing too much HIIT and doing too much other high intensity efforts.
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So..no more skiing, ice skating or making snowmen?
How about scraping the car window or shovelling snow from your walk or driveway?
How about scraping the car window or shovelling snow from your walk or driveway?
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Thank you for your hyperbole.
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Consider the title of this thread:
excuse - a reason or explanation put forward to defend or justify a fault or offense
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It's the effing cold- the most miserable, disrespectful, moronic season. I don't need an excuse to stay in, safely and logically out of it, I would need one to go in it. All that just proves it's bad for your health and you're a fool to subject yourself to it.
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Yeah, heart attack cases definitely increase in cold weather.
Personal anecdote: My great-grandfather dropped dead while chopping wood in cold weather. My great-great-grandfather dropped dead in the snow on a hunting trip. He was found face down, with his finger still on the trigger. They were both several years younger than I am currently. Fingers crossed.
Personal anecdote: My great-grandfather dropped dead while chopping wood in cold weather. My great-great-grandfather dropped dead in the snow on a hunting trip. He was found face down, with his finger still on the trigger. They were both several years younger than I am currently. Fingers crossed.
My wife an I have a very rural cabin, no power, no cell service, off a dirt road off a dirt road off a gravel road. I love going out there and chopping wood for the stove, felling trees and hauling them away for fire prevention, all that stuff. Totally not an issue. We've fenced about 15 of our 20 acres, all with tamarack posts in hand-dug holes. Everything in the country involves either a hammer, a shovel, a hand saw, or an axe.
I don't remember where I saw this recent anecdote: The Finnish Nordic XC team was out putting in some kilometers through the woods. They caught a glimpse of another skier way ahead of them and picked up the pace. They had a heckuva time catching whoever that was, frustrating. Eventually they did catch up with the 90 y.o ex-world XC champ. One assumes it was cold.
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It says below 50F, so I'm pretty safe here in the San Fernando Valley.
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I’ve heard that cross country skiing and backcountry skiing has a body count a mile high.
Seriously.
I don’t ride on cold days anymore because it isn’t fun. I certainly still ski, usually touring where I’m actually running at a higher heart rate than I would cycling. Or ice climbing, or general mountaineering. It’s all good. That’s what clothes (the right kind) are for.
Some of the most uncomfortably warm I’ve ever been has been during freezing days.
I suppose that if you already are at risk. Like under the care of a cardiologist or something, cold might be a concern.
Can this article explain Wim Hof? The iceman seems to be just about the healthiest person I’ve heard of. Many of his followers have literally been cured (anecdotally) of autoimmune diseases by following his crazy lifestyle into the cold.
Finally, a funny story that barely relates to this thread. As a teenager I was working at a swimming pool. They had drained it to do some maintenance work over the winter break. I was there painting or something like that. As the pool was filling, the temperature read somewhere in the 30’s for the water since it wasn’t being heated yet. Ever the show off I jumped in and swam to the side. Holy **** that was cold. We all laughed until the manager ripped my butt. I believe she said I could have had a heart attack. That was nearly 30 years ago. This article is nothing new.
Seriously.
I don’t ride on cold days anymore because it isn’t fun. I certainly still ski, usually touring where I’m actually running at a higher heart rate than I would cycling. Or ice climbing, or general mountaineering. It’s all good. That’s what clothes (the right kind) are for.
Some of the most uncomfortably warm I’ve ever been has been during freezing days.
I suppose that if you already are at risk. Like under the care of a cardiologist or something, cold might be a concern.
Can this article explain Wim Hof? The iceman seems to be just about the healthiest person I’ve heard of. Many of his followers have literally been cured (anecdotally) of autoimmune diseases by following his crazy lifestyle into the cold.
Finally, a funny story that barely relates to this thread. As a teenager I was working at a swimming pool. They had drained it to do some maintenance work over the winter break. I was there painting or something like that. As the pool was filling, the temperature read somewhere in the 30’s for the water since it wasn’t being heated yet. Ever the show off I jumped in and swam to the side. Holy **** that was cold. We all laughed until the manager ripped my butt. I believe she said I could have had a heart attack. That was nearly 30 years ago. This article is nothing new.
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You are such a bad liar. You're both attacking the article ( that you still obviously haven't read) and accusing OP of "cherry picking " it.
OP made a joke about an "excuse". Please tell me how that was telling you not to ride in the cold. There's risks associated with the cold that are higher for some people. I can ride centuries in heat most people wouldn't leave their AC in, but there's no way I want to ride in 45 degree weather. You and I have different lungs, ok for me to notice that?
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Those stories, and the snow shoveling stories, are all about unfit people doing work to which they are not accustomed. Well, and not only that, not having had a life-long high state of fitness. If that's the case with any of our gentle readers, listen up and don't over-exert. OTOH, if you can go out and knock off a hilly 50 miles on any given day, don't worry about it. Get out there and shovel! It'll do you good. It's all about aerobic fitness.
My wife an I have a very rural cabin, no power, no cell service, off a dirt road off a dirt road off a gravel road. I love going out there and chopping wood for the stove, felling trees and hauling them away for fire prevention, all that stuff. Totally not an issue. We've fenced about 15 of our 20 acres, all with tamarack posts in hand-dug holes. Everything in the country involves either a hammer, a shovel, a hand saw, or an axe.
I don't remember where I saw this recent anecdote: The Finnish Nordic XC team was out putting in some kilometers through the woods. They caught a glimpse of another skier way ahead of them and picked up the pace. They had a heckuva time catching whoever that was, frustrating. Eventually they did catch up with the 90 y.o ex-world XC champ. One assumes it was cold.
My wife an I have a very rural cabin, no power, no cell service, off a dirt road off a dirt road off a gravel road. I love going out there and chopping wood for the stove, felling trees and hauling them away for fire prevention, all that stuff. Totally not an issue. We've fenced about 15 of our 20 acres, all with tamarack posts in hand-dug holes. Everything in the country involves either a hammer, a shovel, a hand saw, or an axe.
I don't remember where I saw this recent anecdote: The Finnish Nordic XC team was out putting in some kilometers through the woods. They caught a glimpse of another skier way ahead of them and picked up the pace. They had a heckuva time catching whoever that was, frustrating. Eventually they did catch up with the 90 y.o ex-world XC champ. One assumes it was cold.
I knocked off a hilly 80 miles in 90+ degree heat twice this year, and I think my particular lung issues make cold weather cycling a bad idea. I'm betting you don't have the data to back up the first sentence of your post.
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Those stories, and the snow shoveling stories, are all about unfit people doing work to which they are not accustomed. Well, and not only that, not having had a life-long high state of fitness. If that's the case with any of our gentle readers, listen up and don't over-exert. OTOH, if you can go out and knock off a hilly 50 miles on any given day, don't worry about it. Get out there and shovel! It'll do you good. It's all about aerobic fitness.
My wife an I have a very rural cabin, no power, no cell service, off a dirt road off a dirt road off a gravel road. I love going out there and chopping wood for the stove, felling trees and hauling them away for fire prevention, all that stuff. Totally not an issue. We've fenced about 15 of our 20 acres, all with tamarack posts in hand-dug holes. Everything in the country involves either a hammer, a shovel, a hand saw, or an axe.
I don't remember where I saw this recent anecdote: The Finnish Nordic XC team was out putting in some kilometers through the woods. They caught a glimpse of another skier way ahead of them and picked up the pace. They had a heckuva time catching whoever that was, frustrating. Eventually they did catch up with the 90 y.o ex-world XC champ. One assumes it was cold.
My wife an I have a very rural cabin, no power, no cell service, off a dirt road off a dirt road off a gravel road. I love going out there and chopping wood for the stove, felling trees and hauling them away for fire prevention, all that stuff. Totally not an issue. We've fenced about 15 of our 20 acres, all with tamarack posts in hand-dug holes. Everything in the country involves either a hammer, a shovel, a hand saw, or an axe.
I don't remember where I saw this recent anecdote: The Finnish Nordic XC team was out putting in some kilometers through the woods. They caught a glimpse of another skier way ahead of them and picked up the pace. They had a heckuva time catching whoever that was, frustrating. Eventually they did catch up with the 90 y.o ex-world XC champ. One assumes it was cold.
Another risk is most people do not dress properly for outdoor exercise in the cold. They get cold and blood vessels constrict. All the complaints about cold hands and feet are symptomatic.
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I agree with the last part, but where the post went wrong is in assuming that these effects only operate on the generally unfit. Alas, plenty of trained athletes die of heart attacks when a previously undetected defect or condition suddenly catches up with them. It's why it's important not to write off chest pains, etc. as being just the normal reaction to intense training.
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I agree with the last part, but where the post went wrong is in assuming that these effects only operate on the generally unfit. Alas, plenty of trained athletes die of heart attacks when a previously undetected defect or condition suddenly catches up with them. It's why it's important not to write off chest pains, etc. as being just the normal reaction to intense training.
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Assuming there is anything to actually be explained, why would it be any contradiction that cold has both benefits and risks? That's true of most things people find beneficial.
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Why can I person on my Ignore List respond to my post.
Fit athletes suffer unexplained and unanticipated cardiac arrest all of the time.
Cold adaptation reduces vascular constriction (as does properly dressing).
Unlike the SCD in heat, I have never found a body of evidence that athletes are prone to it in the cold. Athletes like nordic skiers, ultramarathoners, backpackers, ice climbers, crazy bike riders, etc.
Fit athletes suffer unexplained and unanticipated cardiac arrest all of the time.
Cold adaptation reduces vascular constriction (as does properly dressing).
Unlike the SCD in heat, I have never found a body of evidence that athletes are prone to it in the cold. Athletes like nordic skiers, ultramarathoners, backpackers, ice climbers, crazy bike riders, etc.
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Though the limit of cold discussed here is a bit silly. I've found that I only need to start putting any sort of limits when the temperatures get below freezing, so 32 degrees fahrenheit. But strangely I haven't yet found a cold limit for myself. My bikes freeze before I do (most oils a greases have a low functioning limit of -40c(f)
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If you breathe through your nose during cold weather cycling you'll be fine. This coming from a fellow lung issue sufferer.
Though the limit of cold discussed here is a bit silly. I've found that I only need to start putting any sort of limits when the temperatures get below freezing, so 32 degrees fahrenheit. But strangely I haven't yet found a cold limit for myself. My bikes freeze before I do (most oils a greases have a low functioning limit of -40c(f)
Though the limit of cold discussed here is a bit silly. I've found that I only need to start putting any sort of limits when the temperatures get below freezing, so 32 degrees fahrenheit. But strangely I haven't yet found a cold limit for myself. My bikes freeze before I do (most oils a greases have a low functioning limit of -40c(f)
My lung issues are scar tissue from a blood clot infarction--I won't be running the experiment on your say so.
I get that people are insisting on seeing themselves as some sort of norm, but that's really not how these things work.
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Why can I person on my Ignore List respond to my post.
Fit athletes suffer unexplained and unanticipated cardiac arrest all of the time.
Cold adaptation reduces vascular constriction (as does properly dressing).
Unlike the SCD in heat, I have never found a body of evidence that athletes are prone to it in the cold. Athletes like nordic skiers, ultramarathoners, backpackers, ice climbers, crazy bike riders, etc.
Fit athletes suffer unexplained and unanticipated cardiac arrest all of the time.
Cold adaptation reduces vascular constriction (as does properly dressing).
Unlike the SCD in heat, I have never found a body of evidence that athletes are prone to it in the cold. Athletes like nordic skiers, ultramarathoners, backpackers, ice climbers, crazy bike riders, etc.
I didn't say that athletes were especially prone to cold weather heart attacks, but I am pushing back on the idea that only unfit people can have coronary issues that can be exacerbated by the cold.