Effect of the Container ship incident on Trek backlog
02-13-21, 07:08 PM
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mstateglfr - The subject wording of the post was more my reaction from a Trek retail bike shop - one that I had never spoken or dealt with. My post wording - my research took me to several sites that report on maritime shipping. In one of the articles, the U.S. Coast Guard mentions they are monitoring the situation. Whatever that is supposed to mean? More from this article, the shipping company reported that 1816 containers were lost, and 64 of them were believed to contain dangerous goods.
Who really knows the facts, but the only report I had was from a Trek dealer that some of that cargo was for Trek, and that all Trek bikes are made in Cambodia, but she did not seem very sure about the specific country.
Mack turtle - I had read that 2017 was last year that they did any manufacturing in Wisconsin.
However, I go to trekbikes.com, scroll to bottom of page, click Technology, then scroll to Made in the USA -
>>. Custom mold-making for Trek is done by a team of engineers run by Jay Thrane. The mold-making facility is run out of the original Trek red barn in Waterloo, the place where Dick Burke and Bevil Hogg started their company, and where thousands of steel bicycles were made in the 70s. Now in this old barn, molds are made that help make thousands of carbon frames.<<
>>Once the molds are shipped the mile or so west to the carbon lab, the magic black stuff can be cut and picked.<<
>>I often get asked: why does Trek continue to build frames here when the entire industry has moved offshore, including, to be honest, a good percentage of Trek frames? Why do we still have this factory? And my answer is always the same. You can’t build different products, better products, when you don’t completely understand the science. And the only way to understand the way frames and carbon structures really work is to build them yourself. Having our engineers cutting molds, laying in carbon, seeing their structures come to life is crucial to pushing designs forward. It is really expensive to build things here in this factory, but the products are better because of it.<<
Any more pertinent knowledge out there?
Who really knows the facts, but the only report I had was from a Trek dealer that some of that cargo was for Trek, and that all Trek bikes are made in Cambodia, but she did not seem very sure about the specific country.
Mack turtle - I had read that 2017 was last year that they did any manufacturing in Wisconsin.
However, I go to trekbikes.com, scroll to bottom of page, click Technology, then scroll to Made in the USA -
>>. Custom mold-making for Trek is done by a team of engineers run by Jay Thrane. The mold-making facility is run out of the original Trek red barn in Waterloo, the place where Dick Burke and Bevil Hogg started their company, and where thousands of steel bicycles were made in the 70s. Now in this old barn, molds are made that help make thousands of carbon frames.<<
>>Once the molds are shipped the mile or so west to the carbon lab, the magic black stuff can be cut and picked.<<
>>I often get asked: why does Trek continue to build frames here when the entire industry has moved offshore, including, to be honest, a good percentage of Trek frames? Why do we still have this factory? And my answer is always the same. You can’t build different products, better products, when you don’t completely understand the science. And the only way to understand the way frames and carbon structures really work is to build them yourself. Having our engineers cutting molds, laying in carbon, seeing their structures come to life is crucial to pushing designs forward. It is really expensive to build things here in this factory, but the products are better because of it.<<
Any more pertinent knowledge out there?
Despite Trek's American-made legacy, U.S.-made bikes account for only about 1 percent of Trek's total production. But Colegrove says domestic production creates opportunities for greater production control. "We control and drive all aspects of manufacturing bicycles here in Waterloo," he said.
02-13-21, 07:15 PM
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Actually, more bizarre reference: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/arti...d-execute.html
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The Long Beach Port unloaded over 8 million TEUs in 2020. It seems pretty fretful to wonder if your bike was in one of those 1800 containers that was bound for the port and ended up in the ocean.
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02-13-21, 07:41 PM
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Fretful?
if you read the original post - was asking 2 questions. Always good to get info. And thanks for the Long Beach port stats.
if you read the original post - was asking 2 questions. Always good to get info. And thanks for the Long Beach port stats.
02-13-21, 07:54 PM
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I hate waiting, which is why I ordered my Emonda Project One in December knowing I wouldn't ride it till the Spring anyway. It arrived at the end of January and I took it for a 20 mile ride the day I got it.
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I did a small amount on a 24' ultralight. West coast out of SF Bay. Also sailed the north Atlantic far from radio contact with anybody. Between continental shelves were saw one ship and one plane. Couldn't raise either one on radio. We were far from shipping lanes. We did have shortwave and the captain had done a lot of shortwave in his youth. A rescue via shortwave of a lost sailboat crew equidistant from Newfoundland, Iceland and Ireland?
02-13-21, 08:56 PM
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It may well be something that fascinates me. You might try being more useful and suggest some other shipping websites, since you do not offer anything on the questions from original post.
02-13-21, 09:21 PM
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Three container ship stories... the first is mine.
I got a 2011 Subaru. It was a WRX, made in Fuji, not Indiana. As it happened I began shopping right after the tsunami. Subaru basically shut down. There was one shipment still under way. Only one dealership, Santa Rosa, had stock, and they were putting a 10% markup on their cars. A couple told me outright they weren't going to have a car; some told me they might. I was able to strike a deal with Livermore Subaru for a very normal price once it did. Napa also did right by me and it came down to the paint color. But the guy in Santa Rosa was an absolute dick - emailing me about every other day to push his inflated prices and tell me all the other dealerships were offering fictional cars, even once they all had the cars in their system and were just waiting for their truck.
This was an echo for me of the mid 2000's when I had idly considered trading in my first WRX for a Mazdaspeed 6. A container ship (MV Cougar Ace) capsized off the Aleutian islands and it had a few of the rare hotrodded sedans on board. It was recovered, but the cars were scrapped in the insurance settlement despite minimal damage. Another car container, the MV Golden Ray, capsized in 2019 in the harbor leaving Brunswick, GA, and was this year finally cut up and hauled away. It was full of Hyundais and they were not saved either. There have been some other similar incidents.
Finally, there was a container ship that lost some containers full of 4.8 million Legos in 1997. They washed up on the Cornish coastline for years. Ironically many of them were scuba sets that had octopuses, and it made the news this month when someone found one, I guess the first in ages.
https://www.metro.news/pieces-of-eig...years/2322637/
I got a 2011 Subaru. It was a WRX, made in Fuji, not Indiana. As it happened I began shopping right after the tsunami. Subaru basically shut down. There was one shipment still under way. Only one dealership, Santa Rosa, had stock, and they were putting a 10% markup on their cars. A couple told me outright they weren't going to have a car; some told me they might. I was able to strike a deal with Livermore Subaru for a very normal price once it did. Napa also did right by me and it came down to the paint color. But the guy in Santa Rosa was an absolute dick - emailing me about every other day to push his inflated prices and tell me all the other dealerships were offering fictional cars, even once they all had the cars in their system and were just waiting for their truck.
This was an echo for me of the mid 2000's when I had idly considered trading in my first WRX for a Mazdaspeed 6. A container ship (MV Cougar Ace) capsized off the Aleutian islands and it had a few of the rare hotrodded sedans on board. It was recovered, but the cars were scrapped in the insurance settlement despite minimal damage. Another car container, the MV Golden Ray, capsized in 2019 in the harbor leaving Brunswick, GA, and was this year finally cut up and hauled away. It was full of Hyundais and they were not saved either. There have been some other similar incidents.
Finally, there was a container ship that lost some containers full of 4.8 million Legos in 1997. They washed up on the Cornish coastline for years. Ironically many of them were scuba sets that had octopuses, and it made the news this month when someone found one, I guess the first in ages.
https://www.metro.news/pieces-of-eig...years/2322637/
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02-13-21, 09:27 PM
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In my sailboat racing days on the west coast, it was commonly heard that 1) the lightest containers were placed highest - completely obvious if you understand ship stability - and that those containers were not secured as well - again completely by plan. If the ship were to be hit from the side with an 80 mph blast of wind and a 70' wave, the more containers that broke off, the more likely they were of living, sailing to port and coming home. Everybody on board knows this. The lost containers are just an insurance report to be filed.
That 80 mph wind and 70' wave might sound like an exaggeration or once in a lifetime event. I used to do the calcs and issue the stability reports for offshore fishing vessels, some as large as 250'. Small ships. One of the criteria the vessels I wrote the reports for had to meet was called "Severe Wind and Roll". It was a calculation of how much stability was lost when the vessel was struck from the side by a wave in a storm. My specialty was calculating how many of the big Bering Sea crabpots could be stacked on deck and meet that criteria - ie how much money they could make and still come home. The container ships are no different, just bigger.
That 80 mph wind and 70' wave might sound like an exaggeration or once in a lifetime event. I used to do the calcs and issue the stability reports for offshore fishing vessels, some as large as 250'. Small ships. One of the criteria the vessels I wrote the reports for had to meet was called "Severe Wind and Roll". It was a calculation of how much stability was lost when the vessel was struck from the side by a wave in a storm. My specialty was calculating how many of the big Bering Sea crabpots could be stacked on deck and meet that criteria - ie how much money they could make and still come home. The container ships are no different, just bigger.
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The mainstream ocean shipping industry want you to think it was a storm. It was actually the secret Jewish Space Lasers controlled by Jim Felt. Jim Felt's real name is actually Feltleburgawitz but he had to change it at Ellis Island. He is actually a lizard who works for the Shylock Rothschild and before he founded Felt Bicycles he shot JFK, Elvis and Bevil Hogg's body double.
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Also note they use a left hand drive on their track bike which is a clear sign pointing to the Pacific Ocean meaning they planned all of this and gave us directions to which ocean they would be attacking the Trek container ship on.
They also use HED wheels which stands for:
H. Jon Benjamin
Eugene Mirman
Dan Mintz
AKA Bob, Gene and Tina from Bob's Burgers
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Get
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If that isn't a clear sign Felt are out to get your bike and many other Trek bikes I don't know what is.
Have you ever noticed:
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Tomorrow
Also note they use a left hand drive on their track bike which is a clear sign pointing to the Pacific Ocean meaning they planned all of this and gave us directions to which ocean they would be attacking the Trek container ship on.
They also use HED wheels which stands for:
H. Jon Benjamin
Eugene Mirman
Dan Mintz
AKA Bob, Gene and Tina from Bob's Burgers
Best
Get
Trek
If that isn't a clear sign Felt are out to get your bike and many other Trek bikes I don't know what is.
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The mainstream ocean shipping industry want you to think it was a storm. It was actually the secret Jewish Space Lasers controlled by Jim Felt. Jim Felt's real name is actually Feltleburgawitz but he had to change it at Ellis Island. He is actually a lizard who works for the Shylock Rothschild and before he founded Felt Bicycles he shot JFK, Elvis and Bevil Hogg's body double.
Have you ever noticed:
Freeing
Employed
Longshoreman
Tomorrow
Also note they use a left hand drive on their track bike which is a clear sign pointing to the Pacific Ocean meaning they planned all of this and gave us directions to which ocean they would be attacking the Trek container ship on.
They also use HED wheels which stands for:
H. Jon Benjamin
Eugene Mirman
Dan Mintz
AKA Bob, Gene and Tina from Bob's Burgers
Best
Get
Trek
If that isn't a clear sign Felt are out to get your bike and many other Trek bikes I don't know what is.
Have you ever noticed:
Freeing
Employed
Longshoreman
Tomorrow
Also note they use a left hand drive on their track bike which is a clear sign pointing to the Pacific Ocean meaning they planned all of this and gave us directions to which ocean they would be attacking the Trek container ship on.
They also use HED wheels which stands for:
H. Jon Benjamin
Eugene Mirman
Dan Mintz
AKA Bob, Gene and Tina from Bob's Burgers
Best
Get
Trek
If that isn't a clear sign Felt are out to get your bike and many other Trek bikes I don't know what is.
We should take this discussion over to 4chan.
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02-14-21, 07:37 AM
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My sources tell me that every one of those missing containers contained Walmart bikes.
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Seriously, kudos to OP for bringing some levity and being a good sport about it. We've all experienced similar brain farts.
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^^^ Not even.
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