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Old 10-27-17, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
What stem is that? It looks like it says Scatto on it, but I am not familiar with one, nor do I see it on 3T's site.
I thought that too at first. It's just the camera angle and the lighting that makes the stem's outer edge disappear.

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on 2 lines is on the bars and seems to be the updated sticker pack for the bars.

My guess is that that stem is solid aluminum, inexpensive, aero-looking, and heavy as hell.

EDIT:

I fooled around with the image levels to show a little better:


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Old 10-27-17, 12:50 PM
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Kinda looks like one of the old Mutant stems.
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Old 10-27-17, 08:39 PM
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Looks very flexy
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Old 10-31-17, 04:52 PM
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Wonder if Cav is going to start using toe straps.

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Old 10-31-17, 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
Wonder if Cav is going to start using toe straps.
He unclipped in his derny races on two separate nights. Didn't get clipped in as quickly the second night. Both times the right foot and both times unforced errors.
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Old 10-31-17, 07:23 PM
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Lost Boys: Poland's Forgotten Track Talent and their Tragic End.
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Old 10-31-17, 10:07 PM
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IIRC Cav rides on Speedplay pedals and he might ride the one-sided aero speedplay pedal in which case it probably didn't help out.
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Old 11-01-17, 12:59 AM
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Crazy that he clips out there doing a seated effort but I don't think I've ever seen him unclip doing his crazy side-to-side flinging road sprint.
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Old 11-01-17, 06:47 AM
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Can someone explain a Durney race to me. Never seen one and from watching the Cavendish video clip, it appears each person has their own personal durney to follow/draft and it appears that the racer and durney driver may be communicating.
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Old 11-01-17, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by spartanKid View Post
It's essentially a scratch race where every rider gets a derny.
My assumption with this is that the rider calls out however fast they feel they can hold on to the derny?
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Old 11-01-17, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ruudlaff View Post
My assumption with this is that the rider calls out however fast they feel they can hold on to the derny?
Sort of. They definitely communicate, when they can. But it's not just a matter of how fast a rider can go - it also comes down to how good a derny driver is: when they add speed to effect a pass and how they time that at 45mph with X number of laps to go. A derny driver might just say "stay with me!" and essentially make his own move.
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Old 11-01-17, 12:34 PM
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This derny race blew me away (London 6 Day, day 5).
The last 10 laps start around 2h 14m

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Old 11-01-17, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by queerpunk View Post
Sort of. They definitely communicate, when they can.
A friend who's done a bunch said that about all you can do is yell "allez" or "whoa" for faster and slower - it's very noisy with a bunch of dernies going around plus the wind noise. The derny drivers have minds of their own, and he claimed to have never had to say "allez".
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yeah, when i motorpace I tell the driver that the only thing I'll tell them is "up" or "ease" - same with "allez" and "whoa," it's not about what word you're saying, it's about having two opposite commands with very different vowel sounds.
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Old 11-01-17, 08:59 PM
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Watched some of the proper motorpaced racing that was on at the euros. The one with the moto riders standing and funny bikes specifically made for the event. It's definitely an interesting thing to watch and the speeds some do is quite incredible.
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Old 11-02-17, 10:45 AM
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^^^yup.

In a Derny race, a rider races a conventional track bike. The Derny pilot is seated, and the Derny has both an engine and a pedal drive - which lets the pilot make small, steady adjustments to the speed.



In a steher race, steher pilots are standing to throw a huge draft. They are piloting big motorcycles with a roller on the rear, and the racer has a special bike with a small front wheel and a huge amount of trail. Never ridden one but I can't imagine they handle very fast!

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Old 11-02-17, 02:18 PM
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I was taught to say "oh" to slow down. Probably varies according to dialect. Really the only thing you really can say when you're totally blown.

One thing I learned real quickly is that being out in front in a derby race is actually really hard at those speeds. Drafting in a line of riders and bikes is significantly easier than just drafting off of your own bike. I did a derny race back in 96. I was riding pretty well and decided to attack from the gun -- I'd have my own draft, so how hard could it be. The experienced riders let me lead for a little bit and when they came around they left me in ruins. I was pretty much yelling "oh!" the rest of the race. I think Kurt Betschart won that day.

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Old 11-10-17, 03:18 AM
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So not really a find on a web, but I've got an update on those 10t track hubs. Ran into Denis Dmitriev at the velodrome and he was doing f100s on a 60x10, so I asked him about the hub and this guy he knows in Russia fabricates them (10t on one side, 11t on the other) and sells em for about $540 with a turnaround time of 4-6 weeks based on his inventory.

Figured I could ask for deetz if anyone wanted. It's wayyy out of my budget, but still something I thought you'd find interesting.
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Old 11-11-17, 10:57 AM
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One of the guys on the BEAT Cycling Team (Dutch privateer sprint squad) is using the Vision track crank. It can be briefly seen here:

https://twitter.com/beatcyclingclub/...37728216682496

Interesting.
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Old 11-11-17, 11:00 AM
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The twitter url seems to be blocked. Go here:

Twiter + /beatcyclingclub/status/922137728216682496
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Took this photo yesterday, first time Iíve seen anyone with bigger thighs than Forstemann
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
One of the guys on the BEAT Cycling Team (Dutch privateer sprint squad) is using the Vision track crank. It can be briefly seen here:

https://twitter.com/beatcyclingclub/...37728216682496

Interesting.
I tried to fix your link but I believe you need to be signed into Twitter to see it as it works on my iPhone but not my desktop.
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Old 11-11-17, 04:18 PM
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Took this photo yesterday, first time Iíve seen anyone with bigger thighs than Forstemann
I know, right?

The Dutch will have a deeep pool of sprinters to field for the Olympic team for sure...and lots of points.

Maybe it's by design to have a National team and a privateer team so that all of the riders can get good "playing time".

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I tried to fix your link but I believe you need to be signed into Twitter to see it as it works on my iPhone but not my desktop.
It's working now. Thanks! That was a weird bug (?).
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Old 11-11-17, 04:26 PM
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Took this photo yesterday, first time Iíve seen anyone with bigger thighs than Forstemann
Jeez:



Also note the creative SRM head unit holder
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Old 11-11-17, 05:18 PM
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I believe Roy came over from the BMX team.
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