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Old 03-03-22, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
And their Core line recently went down in price, too. SS jerseys are now $70 and they sometimes have bundles, like two for $120 or so, or a jersey with with bibs for $150 or so. I think their Core Bundles are a pretty damn good deal for comfort and quality.

If you're thinking about some for touring, definitely consider the core cargo bibs. I certainly gave the thigh pockets the side-eye the first time I saw them, but I bought a set and loved them so much that I bought another pretty much immediately. For any 100+ mile, non-team ride, they're my go-to for having snacks handy or to temporarily stow arm warmers that have been peeled off, etc.
But after reading this thread I am reconsidering for fear of being an elitist poseur with nothing better to do with his money, comfort and functionality be damned. I mean, if one person is happy with $10 jerseys from Amazon I should be, too.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster
Well said.
Now it’s multiple pages of the geriatric spandex-overall cowboys arguing about the price and variations of polyester/Lycra.
Yep, it’s exactly what people wearing football jerseys as fans or recreational players do lol.
You sure seem to disdain older people. You do realize that there's only one alternative to aging?

And anyway, what does age have to do with any of this?
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Cotton cargo shorts and tee shirts?
Please pass the grain of salt.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
They do account for/make assumptions about rolling resistance with regard to bike type - indicating an MTB will get you a higher power estimate than indicating a cross bike, which will be higher than a road bike, etc. They also do have surface type info available on their route creator, though it's not comprehensive, so they could, in theory, add that as a factor in the future. That might be a lot of work to do for what'll still be a crappy estimate, though.

All gravel not being equal, it really would be just one more piece of GI/GO.

My basic thought on this is that if you want to be able to make comparisons between people's power outputs, you've picked the wrong activity.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
You sure seem to disdain older people. You do realize that there's only one alternative to aging?

And anyway, what does age have to do with any of this?
Self-loathing.
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
Thank you for sharing the view from your high horse. I will be sending you a PM before every ride to make sure I don't offend your standards for acceptable clothing while biking.

The thing with him is I don't necessarily care that he's a troll, it's just that he's such an unclever one. I wish people would stop quoting him because his drivel makes my eyes go to sleep. This seeing quotes thing is the biggest flaw in the ignore list system.

Now cue "blah, blah, blah, my biggest fan, blah blah".
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
Cotton cargo shorts and tee shirts?
Please pass the grain of salt.

Are you accusing me of lying? About that?!

WTH?

I do occasionally wear other fabrics (polyester "performance" tee shirts), but cotton is most typical for me.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
The thing with him is I don't necessarily care that he's a troll, it's just that he's such an unclever one. I wish people would stop quoting him because his drivel makes my eyes go to sleep. This seeing quotes thing is the biggest flaw in the ignore list system.

Now cue "blah, blah, blah, my biggest fan, blah blah".
You make a good point ... my post was a moment of weakness, before I'd had enough coffee.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
All gravel not being equal, it really would be just one more piece of GI/GO.
Yup. Also, I checked and I was mistaken; in terms of surface, they only have: paved, dirt (they're classifying gravel within dirt) and not specified.

Originally Posted by livedarklions
My basic thought on this is that if you want to be able to make comparisons between people's power outputs, you've picked the wrong activity.
I think that the intent is more for people to be able to compare against themselves... it doesn't exactly do a bang-up job of that, either, but it's slightly less garbage.
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
You make a good point ... my post was a moment of weakness, before I'd had enough coffee.

He's the type of guy the ignore list was invented for. He literally never says anything worth reading. I don't even think he really rides, something I suspected before I put him on ignore when he accused people who carried stuff to fix a flat of being ridiculous and--I can't remember the exact phrasing--some sort of show-off.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I think that the intent is more for people to be able to compare against themselves... it doesn't exactly do a bang-up job of that, either, but it's slightly less garbage.
I think that's fair, but I also think that wasn't the intent in how it was used in this thread.

Honestly, I still don't get what the power estimates had to do with this thread.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
Cotton cargo shorts and tee shirts?
I tried that approach very early on when I first got into cycling....The biggest problem with cotton other than poor wicking and long drying issues was durability. I have worn out way too many cotton cargo pants and cargo shorts and cotton t-shirts...When I was riding a lot I used to get an average of a few weeks out of cotton cargo shorts before having to throw them out due to ripping and holes. I never worn out any of my cargo shorts made from technical synthetic fabrics yet. When it comes to long term durability good quality synthetic fabrics win every time.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Just curious...How long ago did you win those jerseys?
All within the last 5 years..Some last year. Not sure why that matters though.

This thread has turned into a toilet bowl. I'm out.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild
I tried that approach very early on when I first got into cycling....The biggest problem with cotton other than poor wicking and long drying issues was durability. I have worn out way too many cotton cargo pants and cargo shorts and cotton t-shirts...When I was riding a lot I used to get an average of a few weeks out of cotton cargo shorts before having to throw them out due to ripping and holes. I never worn out any of my cargo shorts made from technical synthetic fabrics yet. When it comes to long term durability good quality synthetic fabrics win every time.
One of the big advantages of cotton is the cost is so cheap. They do wear out while riding over time, but I have so many of them that it doesn't really matter. They also have the advantage of being comfortable for other uses that don't tend to wear them out, so I get plenty of non-cycling wear out of them during the warmer months. Basically, in months where wearing shorts is appropriate, that's pretty much all I'll wear if I'm not in my dress clothes.

I don't disagree that durability while cycling is an objective advantage to synthetics, but how much that advantage means to us is entirely subjective.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Honestly, I still don't get what the power estimates had to do with this thread.
Casual riding isn't a very demanding test for technical clothing. He was attempting to demonstrate that he was a badass and that his jerseys had been ridden hard and put away wet.
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Originally Posted by prj71
All within the last 5 years..Some last year. Not sure why that matters though.

This thread has turned into a toilet bowl. I'm out.

Are you flushed out or fished out?
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
Thanks! I would think that means they're using a constant for ground resistance, which is obviously absurd once you go off-road.
Way off topic about pro replica kits.... but I think Strava is more interesting than the fashion police whining about other people's clothing.

I've biked a flat paved rail-trail segment 200 times with 10 different bikes, one with a power meter. Here's a graphic from VeloViewer with data from Strava, sorted by moving time. On the right, you can see power number based on power meter vs Strava est.


(this data is not here to impress anybody with my power numbers, just an interesting slice)

Quick list of the bikes in these stats:
  • Infinito is a 2021 Bianchi Infinito CF road bike
  • Breezer is a 2017 Breezer Radar Pro steel framed gravel bike on 45mm tires
  • Pugsley is a 2015 drop-bar Surly Pugsley running 4" tires ... fatbike
  • Nail Trail is a 2005 Marin Nail Trail MTB converted to SS for winter commuting
The reason I picked this group of results is the back-and-forth with the Breezer and Infinito ... IMO it shows the wild variation in the Breezer power est vs HR and time; while the Infinito with power meter tracks better with time and HR data.

Other things Strava estimates don't account for are winds or group size ... both can have a significate effect on power and the speed of a rider.

Reference, link to the Strava segment: https://www.strava.com/segments/29918758

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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Casual riding isn't a very demanding test for technical clothing. He was attempting to demonstrate that he was a badass and that his jerseys had been ridden hard and put away wet.

No I get that, I just don't get what it had to do with the topic of this thread, which was logos. As far as I'm concerned, the only "cost" question that was relevant was whether you're paying a licensing fee premium to wear team jerseys or whatever.

His "performance" was such a peripheral subject that it's amusing anyone even entertained it.
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
The reason I picked this group of results is the back-and-forth with the Breezer and Infinito ... IMO it shows the wild variation in the Breezer power est vs HR and time; while the Infinito with power meter track better with time and HR data.
Are you on Intervals.icu? Like you, I don't have a PM on all of my bikes, but I do on the primary (and the trainer, of course). One of the things that I really appreciate about Intervals is that, once they have a correlation between your HR and power data, they seem to do a much better job of estimating (and therefor tracking) training load on rides with an HRM but without a PM. An account is free, but I'm appreciative enough of it that I subscribe/donate.
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Originally Posted by Hypno Toad
Way off topic about pro replica kits.... but I think Strava is more interesting than the fashion police whining about other people's clothing.

I've biked a flat paved rail-trail segment 200 times with 10 different bikes, one with a power meter. Here's a graphic from VeloViewer with data from Strava, sorted by moving time. On the right, you can see power number based on power meter vs Strava est.


(this data is not here to impress anybody with my power numbers, just an interesting slice)

Quick list of the bikes in these stats:
  • Infinito is a 2021 Bianchi Infinito CF road bike
  • Breezer is a 2017 Breezer Radar Pro steel framed gravel bike on 45mm tires
  • Pugsley is a 2015 drop-bar Surly Pugsley running 4" tires ... fatbike
  • Nail Trail is a 2005 Marin Nail Trail MTB converted to SS for winter commuting
The reason I picked this group of results is the back-and-forth with the Breezer and Infinito ... IMO it shows the wild variation in the Breezer power est vs HR and time; while the Infinito with power meter track better with time and HR data.

Other things Strava estimate don't account for is winds or group size ... both can have a significate effect on power and the speed of a rider.

Reference, link to the Strava segment: https://www.strava.com/segments/29918758
I don't strava in part because I wouldn't have the patience to sort through all that data, so I'm going to pass on discussing the specifics, but thanks for answering my questions. Maybe someone else will want to discuss that, looks interesting if you really care about the subject.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions
His "performance" was such a peripheral subject that it's amusing anyone even entertained it.
It was entertained because it was an amusing attempt.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Interested in seeing peoples’ thoughts
YOU should be ashamed of yourself for bringing up such a serious. contentious, world shattering topic !!!!
Are you not Aware of the masses of SERIOUS cyclists on each side, in the trenches???
You better have a good gas mask...
LOL !!!!!
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Are you on Intervals.icu? Like you, I don't have a PM on all of my bikes, but I do on the primary (and the trainer, of course). One of the things that I really appreciate about Intervals is that, once they have a correlation between your HR and power data, they seem to do a much better job of estimating (and therefor tracking) training load on rides with an HRM but without a PM. An account is free, but I'm appreciative enough of it that I subscribe/donate.
That's new to me, I'll check it out. Thanks!!
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Sure. And especially when riding the ‘77 Colnago Super.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
It was entertained because it was an amusing attempt.

Entertained because entertaining. Got it.
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