View Poll Results: Wear Logo’d Apparel?
No never, wouldn’t even think of it
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I only fly my own racing teams colors
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16.33%
Enjoy logo’d apparel and makes me feel more racy
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2.04%
Some times
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15.31%
I mix and match logo’d and non-logo’d
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Do You Wear Team Logo Apparel?
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And their Core line recently went down in price, too. SS jerseys are now $70 and they sometimes have bundles, like two for $120 or so, or a jersey with with bibs for $150 or so. I think their Core Bundles are a pretty damn good deal for comfort and quality.
If you're thinking about some for touring, definitely consider the core cargo bibs. I certainly gave the thigh pockets the side-eye the first time I saw them, but I bought a set and loved them so much that I bought another pretty much immediately. For any 100+ mile, non-team ride, they're my go-to for having snacks handy or to temporarily stow arm warmers that have been peeled off, etc.
If you're thinking about some for touring, definitely consider the core cargo bibs. I certainly gave the thigh pockets the side-eye the first time I saw them, but I bought a set and loved them so much that I bought another pretty much immediately. For any 100+ mile, non-team ride, they're my go-to for having snacks handy or to temporarily stow arm warmers that have been peeled off, etc.
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And anyway, what does age have to do with any of this?
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Cotton cargo shorts and tee shirts?
Please pass the grain of salt.
Please pass the grain of salt.
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They do account for/make assumptions about rolling resistance with regard to bike type - indicating an MTB will get you a higher power estimate than indicating a cross bike, which will be higher than a road bike, etc. They also do have surface type info available on their route creator, though it's not comprehensive, so they could, in theory, add that as a factor in the future. That might be a lot of work to do for what'll still be a crappy estimate, though.
All gravel not being equal, it really would be just one more piece of GI/GO.
My basic thought on this is that if you want to be able to make comparisons between people's power outputs, you've picked the wrong activity.
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The thing with him is I don't necessarily care that he's a troll, it's just that he's such an unclever one. I wish people would stop quoting him because his drivel makes my eyes go to sleep. This seeing quotes thing is the biggest flaw in the ignore list system.
Now cue "blah, blah, blah, my biggest fan, blah blah".
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The thing with him is I don't necessarily care that he's a troll, it's just that he's such an unclever one. I wish people would stop quoting him because his drivel makes my eyes go to sleep. This seeing quotes thing is the biggest flaw in the ignore list system.
Now cue "blah, blah, blah, my biggest fan, blah blah".
Now cue "blah, blah, blah, my biggest fan, blah blah".
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I think that the intent is more for people to be able to compare against themselves... it doesn't exactly do a bang-up job of that, either, but it's slightly less garbage.
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He's the type of guy the ignore list was invented for. He literally never says anything worth reading. I don't even think he really rides, something I suspected before I put him on ignore when he accused people who carried stuff to fix a flat of being ridiculous and--I can't remember the exact phrasing--some sort of show-off.
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Honestly, I still don't get what the power estimates had to do with this thread.
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I tried that approach very early on when I first got into cycling....The biggest problem with cotton other than poor wicking and long drying issues was durability. I have worn out way too many cotton cargo pants and cargo shorts and cotton t-shirts...When I was riding a lot I used to get an average of a few weeks out of cotton cargo shorts before having to throw them out due to ripping and holes. I never worn out any of my cargo shorts made from technical synthetic fabrics yet. When it comes to long term durability good quality synthetic fabrics win every time.
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I tried that approach very early on when I first got into cycling....The biggest problem with cotton other than poor wicking and long drying issues was durability. I have worn out way too many cotton cargo pants and cargo shorts and cotton t-shirts...When I was riding a lot I used to get an average of a few weeks out of cotton cargo shorts before having to throw them out due to ripping and holes. I never worn out any of my cargo shorts made from technical synthetic fabrics yet. When it comes to long term durability good quality synthetic fabrics win every time.
I don't disagree that durability while cycling is an objective advantage to synthetics, but how much that advantage means to us is entirely subjective.
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I've biked a flat paved rail-trail segment 200 times with 10 different bikes, one with a power meter. Here's a graphic from VeloViewer with data from Strava, sorted by moving time. On the right, you can see power number based on power meter vs Strava est.
(this data is not here to impress anybody with my power numbers, just an interesting slice)
Quick list of the bikes in these stats:
- Infinito is a 2021 Bianchi Infinito CF road bike
- Breezer is a 2017 Breezer Radar Pro steel framed gravel bike on 45mm tires
- Pugsley is a 2015 drop-bar Surly Pugsley running 4" tires ... fatbike
- Nail Trail is a 2005 Marin Nail Trail MTB converted to SS for winter commuting
Other things Strava estimates don't account for are winds or group size ... both can have a significate effect on power and the speed of a rider.
Reference, link to the Strava segment: https://www.strava.com/segments/29918758
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No I get that, I just don't get what it had to do with the topic of this thread, which was logos. As far as I'm concerned, the only "cost" question that was relevant was whether you're paying a licensing fee premium to wear team jerseys or whatever.
His "performance" was such a peripheral subject that it's amusing anyone even entertained it.
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Are you on Intervals.icu? Like you, I don't have a PM on all of my bikes, but I do on the primary (and the trainer, of course). One of the things that I really appreciate about Intervals is that, once they have a correlation between your HR and power data, they seem to do a much better job of estimating (and therefor tracking) training load on rides with an HRM but without a PM. An account is free, but I'm appreciative enough of it that I subscribe/donate.
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Way off topic about pro replica kits.... but I think Strava is more interesting than the fashion police whining about other people's clothing.
I've biked a flat paved rail-trail segment 200 times with 10 different bikes, one with a power meter. Here's a graphic from VeloViewer with data from Strava, sorted by moving time. On the right, you can see power number based on power meter vs Strava est.
(this data is not here to impress anybody with my power numbers, just an interesting slice)
Quick list of the bikes in these stats:
Other things Strava estimate don't account for is winds or group size ... both can have a significate effect on power and the speed of a rider.
Reference, link to the Strava segment: https://www.strava.com/segments/29918758
I've biked a flat paved rail-trail segment 200 times with 10 different bikes, one with a power meter. Here's a graphic from VeloViewer with data from Strava, sorted by moving time. On the right, you can see power number based on power meter vs Strava est.
(this data is not here to impress anybody with my power numbers, just an interesting slice)
Quick list of the bikes in these stats:
- Infinito is a 2021 Bianchi Infinito CF road bike
- Breezer is a 2017 Breezer Radar Pro steel framed gravel bike on 45mm tires
- Pugsley is a 2015 drop-bar Surly Pugsley running 4" tires ... fatbike
- Nail Trail is a 2005 Marin Nail Trail MTB converted to SS for winter commuting
Other things Strava estimate don't account for is winds or group size ... both can have a significate effect on power and the speed of a rider.
Reference, link to the Strava segment: https://www.strava.com/segments/29918758
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YOU should be ashamed of yourself for bringing up such a serious. contentious, world shattering topic !!!!
Are you not Aware of the masses of SERIOUS cyclists on each side, in the trenches???
You better have a good gas mask...
LOL !!!!!
Ride On
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Are you not Aware of the masses of SERIOUS cyclists on each side, in the trenches???
You better have a good gas mask...
LOL !!!!!
Ride On
Yuri
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Are you on Intervals.icu? Like you, I don't have a PM on all of my bikes, but I do on the primary (and the trainer, of course). One of the things that I really appreciate about Intervals is that, once they have a correlation between your HR and power data, they seem to do a much better job of estimating (and therefor tracking) training load on rides with an HRM but without a PM. An account is free, but I'm appreciative enough of it that I subscribe/donate.
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Sure. And especially when riding the ‘77 Colnago Super.
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