Micro shift “Brifters”, how easy to setup with mixed Shimano bits?
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Micro shift “Brifters”, how easy to setup with mixed Shimano bits?
Looking for info from someone who has done something like this and not a keyboard technician.
Thinking about “updating” my older Univega with a hodgepodge of Shimano derailleurs from downtube friction to Microshift brifters.
Currently using a short cage Sora rear derailleur and a decent but rather generic Shimano front derailleur up front. 2 x 7 setup with freehub /cassette.
Per what I have read, these brifters are compatible with Shimano components. But am I just looking for headaches or is Shimano pretty “universal” and forgiving as far as crossing over parts and having them work?
Thinking about “updating” my older Univega with a hodgepodge of Shimano derailleurs from downtube friction to Microshift brifters.
Currently using a short cage Sora rear derailleur and a decent but rather generic Shimano front derailleur up front. 2 x 7 setup with freehub /cassette.
Per what I have read, these brifters are compatible with Shimano components. But am I just looking for headaches or is Shimano pretty “universal” and forgiving as far as crossing over parts and having them work?
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Following as I'm looking to do something similar with an old Peugeot, changing from hybrid bars to drop bars.
From what I've read the type of brake also plays into it. From most of my searching on this topic the general consensus is always "get a new bike" so I'm hoping to get some practical info.
From what I've read the type of brake also plays into it. From most of my searching on this topic the general consensus is always "get a new bike" so I'm hoping to get some practical info.
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I can't speak for the 7 speed version, but I have been using the 10 speed Microshift Arsis shifters with a Shimano rear derailleur on one of my bikes for several years with no problems.
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If the Microshift shifters state that they are compatible with Shimano, they are.
The question is what sort of front derailleur is this? Is this a Road or MTB front derailleur? If you go with brifters, the FD needs to be a road RD that matches the crank (2x or 3x).
The question is what sort of front derailleur is this? Is this a Road or MTB front derailleur? If you go with brifters, the FD needs to be a road RD that matches the crank (2x or 3x).
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I have been doing the opposite, using Microshift rear derailleurs with Shimano shifters with good success. If the derailleur pull-to-motion ratio is accurate there is no other reason for the combination not to work; the derailleur has no way to "know" what brand of shifter is commanding it.
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Last year I built up an old miyata with new 9 speed microshift brifters and older 8 speed shimano 105 derailleurs.
It worked very well.
It worked very well.
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Shimano sued Microshift because they alleged their compatibility was a patent infringement. I don't know the outcome, but I do know that compatibility is keeping a lot of old Shimano stuff in service. Beware that the old Uniglide 7-speed stuff might not be compatible.
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Or use a Jtek Shiftmate cable pull adapter with a MTB FD. I did that last year on my bike with Microshift R8 brake/shifters, and it works perfectly well. Putting the same system on my current build.
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For what they cost, the OP can upgrade the FD he has.
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What generation Sora are you using? The latest R3000 Sora groupset has the 4700/11 speed pull ratios, and are not compatible with older groupsets.
The other question is what crankset are you using? A 10 speed crankset might not work with a 7 speed chain. MTB crankset won't work well with a road FD, etc.
But in general Microshift works well with Shimano components. I replaced 9 speed Tiagra shifters with Microshift shifters and they work perfectly well.
The other question is what crankset are you using? A 10 speed crankset might not work with a 7 speed chain. MTB crankset won't work well with a road FD, etc.
But in general Microshift works well with Shimano components. I replaced 9 speed Tiagra shifters with Microshift shifters and they work perfectly well.
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R7, R8, and R9 shifters work great with Shimano derailleurs but I would consider upgrading your rear wheel/hub/cassette to 9 speed before purchasing brifters because the selection, availability, and cost of 9-speed parts is much better. The brifters are still available on aliexpress but they might have changed the Microshift brand name to something different but similar. It's easy to find used 9 speed components for dirt cheap at your local bicycle cooperative or from ebay. On the other hand the R7 brifters are only about $35. The Arsis shifters have a weird variable pull ratio to make them compatible with newer mega-sized cassettes so don't go there.
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What generation Sora are you using? The latest R3000 Sora groupset has the 4700/11 speed pull ratios, and are not compatible with older groupsets.
The other question is what crankset are you using? A 10 speed crankset might not work with a 7 speed chain. MTB crankset won't work well with a road FD, etc.
But in general Microshift works well with Shimano components. I replaced 9 speed Tiagra shifters with Microshift shifters and they work perfectly well.
The other question is what crankset are you using? A 10 speed crankset might not work with a 7 speed chain. MTB crankset won't work well with a road FD, etc.
But in general Microshift works well with Shimano components. I replaced 9 speed Tiagra shifters with Microshift shifters and they work perfectly well.
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So I'm also looking to switch from thumb shifter/hybrid handlebar to drop bar w/ brifters. I'm building out an old Peugeot US Express women's MTB. My first time doing anything like this and I have some questions.
Here are the facts:
1. Current shifters are Shimano SIS thumb shifters 2X6.
2. Derailers are both Shimano. Rear is a Skylark, not sure what model the FD is.
3. The rear is 6spd Sunrace Index freewheel, 14-28.
4. The front is 2x, 40 & 52.
5. The rear spacing is just about 121.5mm
It seems that most threads suggest having to upgrade to 7spd as I've not seen a 6spd brifter. I don't mind changing the freewheel, I actually prefer it as it's pretty old and grimey and I'd like to do a newer chrome one. Is this possible to add the brifters, and change to a 7spd freewheel without changing derailers or any other major things? What other considerations am I looking at?
Also - Axle is currently bolt-on solid axle. How easy/hard would it be to change to a QR skewer while I'm changing all this out?
Thanks all!
Here are the facts:
1. Current shifters are Shimano SIS thumb shifters 2X6.
2. Derailers are both Shimano. Rear is a Skylark, not sure what model the FD is.
3. The rear is 6spd Sunrace Index freewheel, 14-28.
4. The front is 2x, 40 & 52.
5. The rear spacing is just about 121.5mm
It seems that most threads suggest having to upgrade to 7spd as I've not seen a 6spd brifter. I don't mind changing the freewheel, I actually prefer it as it's pretty old and grimey and I'd like to do a newer chrome one. Is this possible to add the brifters, and change to a 7spd freewheel without changing derailers or any other major things? What other considerations am I looking at?
Also - Axle is currently bolt-on solid axle. How easy/hard would it be to change to a QR skewer while I'm changing all this out?
Thanks all!
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Following as I'm looking to do something similar with an old Peugeot, changing from hybrid bars to drop bars.
From what I've read the type of brake also plays into it. From most of my searching on this topic the general consensus is always "get a new bike" so I'm hoping to get some practical info.
From what I've read the type of brake also plays into it. From most of my searching on this topic the general consensus is always "get a new bike" so I'm hoping to get some practical info.
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Brakes can be the most difficult issue with old mtb-drop bar conversions. Low and mid profile cantis have inadequate leverage using short-pull road levers. I used Travel Agents and full sized V-brakes but the wide profile Tektro CR720 cantis work well too, they just stick out pretty far and poise a potential hazard.
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So I'm also looking to switch from thumb shifter/hybrid handlebar to drop bar w/ brifters. I'm building out an old Peugeot US Express women's MTB. My first time doing anything like this and I have some questions.
Here are the facts:
1. Current shifters are Shimano SIS thumb shifters 2X6.
2. Derailers are both Shimano. Rear is a Skylark, not sure what model the FD is.
3. The rear is 6spd Sunrace Index freewheel, 14-28.
4. The front is 2x, 40 & 52.
5. The rear spacing is just about 121.5mm
It seems that most threads suggest having to upgrade to 7spd as I've not seen a 6spd brifter. I don't mind changing the freewheel, I actually prefer it as it's pretty old and grimey and I'd like to do a newer chrome one. Is this possible to add the brifters, and change to a 7spd freewheel without changing derailers or any other major things? What other considerations am I looking at?
Also - Axle is currently bolt-on solid axle. How easy/hard would it be to change to a QR skewer while I'm changing all this out?
Thanks all!
Here are the facts:
1. Current shifters are Shimano SIS thumb shifters 2X6.
2. Derailers are both Shimano. Rear is a Skylark, not sure what model the FD is.
3. The rear is 6spd Sunrace Index freewheel, 14-28.
4. The front is 2x, 40 & 52.
5. The rear spacing is just about 121.5mm
It seems that most threads suggest having to upgrade to 7spd as I've not seen a 6spd brifter. I don't mind changing the freewheel, I actually prefer it as it's pretty old and grimey and I'd like to do a newer chrome one. Is this possible to add the brifters, and change to a 7spd freewheel without changing derailers or any other major things? What other considerations am I looking at?
Also - Axle is currently bolt-on solid axle. How easy/hard would it be to change to a QR skewer while I'm changing all this out?
Thanks all!
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Those pictured cantis are pretty wide and probably will work fine with short pull levers. They're sort of mid-profile so your hands might get tired going down huge hills because of less-than-desirable leverage.
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Thanks, this bike is for the wife who will be mostly riding pretty flat rail trail etc so she probably won't need too many gear options. I assume the current crank will work with whatever I decide to do? Also if I go with the 7spd would I need to change out the derailers at all? I'd prefer not to change them out right now.
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Thanks, this bike is for the wife who will be mostly riding pretty flat rail trail etc so she probably won't need too many gear options. I assume the current crank will work with whatever I decide to do? Also if I go with the 7spd would I need to change out the derailers at all? I'd prefer not to change them out right now.
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I think the R7 brifters would work with the current derailleurs. I doubt you can can run the rear wheel with a freewheel and quick-release skewers. Even those solid axles on the freewheel system easily bend if you hit a pothole, so a hollow axle might be worse. The weight on the freewheel bearing is situated too far inboard and is prone to issues. It might be more economical to buy a newer (20 years old) used bike at a garage sale for your wife with relatively modern components. It would weigh less and be a lot faster. I spent a lot of time perfecting an old steel drop-bar conversion but then I found a perfect frame for a new drop-bar conversion and this more recent bike makes the old one seem like a boat anchor. Bike design has come a long way in the past 40 years.
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So I'm also looking to switch from thumb shifter/hybrid handlebar to drop bar w/ brifters. I'm building out an old Peugeot US Express women's MTB. My first time doing anything like this and I have some questions.
Here are the facts:
1. Current shifters are Shimano SIS thumb shifters 2X6.
2. Derailers are both Shimano. Rear is a Skylark, not sure what model the FD is.
3. The rear is 6spd Sunrace Index freewheel, 14-28.
4. The front is 2x, 40 & 52.
5. The rear spacing is just about 121.5mm
It seems that most threads suggest having to upgrade to 7spd as I've not seen a 6spd brifter. I don't mind changing the freewheel, I actually prefer it as it's pretty old and grimey and I'd like to do a newer chrome one. Is this possible to add the brifters, and change to a 7spd freewheel without changing derailers or any other major things? What other considerations am I looking at?
Also - Axle is currently bolt-on solid axle. How easy/hard would it be to change to a QR skewer while I'm changing all this out?
Thanks all!
Here are the facts:
1. Current shifters are Shimano SIS thumb shifters 2X6.
2. Derailers are both Shimano. Rear is a Skylark, not sure what model the FD is.
3. The rear is 6spd Sunrace Index freewheel, 14-28.
4. The front is 2x, 40 & 52.
5. The rear spacing is just about 121.5mm
It seems that most threads suggest having to upgrade to 7spd as I've not seen a 6spd brifter. I don't mind changing the freewheel, I actually prefer it as it's pretty old and grimey and I'd like to do a newer chrome one. Is this possible to add the brifters, and change to a 7spd freewheel without changing derailers or any other major things? What other considerations am I looking at?
Also - Axle is currently bolt-on solid axle. How easy/hard would it be to change to a QR skewer while I'm changing all this out?
Thanks all!
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I've used the older MicroShift R7 (like these) successfully with my older road bikes using Shimano 7-speed long cage Deore LX and 600 Tricolor/Ultegra 8-speed (but 7 speeds only with the brifters, of course), on wheels with 7-speed freewheels and cassettes. Great value if you can find a set, but I think they're discontinued now. The R8 is still listed by MicroShift.
The MicroShift R7 looks plasticky inside and isn't as elegant as my 8-speed Dura Ace brifters, but they ain't bad for the money. A bit loud and klunky sounding, but reliable after almost two years of regular use on two different road bikes.
For bikes other than drop bars, you'll want trigger or thumb shifters for handlebars on typical mountain bikes and hybrids -- straight, arced, riser and swept bars. No shortage of STI compatible shifter/brake combos for those.
The MicroShift R7 looks plasticky inside and isn't as elegant as my 8-speed Dura Ace brifters, but they ain't bad for the money. A bit loud and klunky sounding, but reliable after almost two years of regular use on two different road bikes.
For bikes other than drop bars, you'll want trigger or thumb shifters for handlebars on typical mountain bikes and hybrids -- straight, arced, riser and swept bars. No shortage of STI compatible shifter/brake combos for those.
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I measured from inside the dropouts a few different times. Peugeot called it a MTB but 1. it's the ladies version and 2. It's a MTB from 1987/88, not sure I'd personally do much mountain biking with this thing.
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Thanks for the replies. A lot of good info. Have thought about it some more and decided to keep downtue shifter. This has the crazy aero Suntour shifter that does not have a clean and cheap way to do cable stops. Plus on closer examination, the Shimano front derailleur has turned into a Suntour model.