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Old 10-21-22, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by big john
What hubs does it have?
Mavic**********???? **** maybe shimano Ill check when I get home. Thank you for allowing me to waste internet space with a dumb question.
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I have Open Pros rims laced to Shimano hubs and to Campagnolo hubs. I had a set of wheels with Mavic hubs and I had Shimano and Campagnolo freehub bodies for them.
I would think if you have a newer 10 speed Shimano hub it will accept an 11s cassette if you remove the spacer.

Mavic tends to be compatible with Shimano in my experience.
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Originally Posted by ls01
So the new narrower bars were kind of a let down. It was better but I still experienced numbness. Thumb 1st 2nd and third fingers. Maybe less than normal but enough that it was a letdown. I repositioned the bars making the hoods a touch higher and slid the seat forward 1/4 ...3/8ths of an inch. It was somewhat better. Starting to think I should just get one bike professionally fitted and then duplicate that fit to the others. I dunno, I've tried almost nothing and I'm all out of ideas....🤪
Yeah, I'd agree on getting a professional fit, if you've never had one. The numbness you describe sounds carpal-tunnelish, which suggests pressure n the middle of your palm. I actually find I get that if the hoods are angled up too much, I think because it bends my wrist more. I would NOT move the seat forward to address bar reach issues - saddle height and setback is its own issue, probably the biggest one in cycling biomechanics. Plus, moving the saddle forward puts MORE pressure on your hands, not less. Can you lift both hands off the hoods just a little without falling forward? If not, you're probably already too far forward.
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Originally Posted by ls01
So the new narrower bars were kind of a let down. It was better but I still experienced numbness. Thumb 1st 2nd and third fingers. Maybe less than normal but enough that it was a letdown. I repositioned the bars making the hoods a touch higher and slid the seat forward 1/4 ...3/8ths of an inch. It was somewhat better. Starting to think I should just get one bike professionally fitted and then duplicate that fit to the others. I dunno, I've tried almost nothing and I'm all out of ideas....🤪
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Yeah, I'd agree on getting a professional fit, if you've never had one. The numbness you describe sounds carpal-tunnelish, which suggests pressure n the middle of your palm. I actually find I get that if the hoods are angled up too much, I think because it bends my wrist more. I would NOT move the seat forward to address bar reach issues - saddle height and setback is its own issue, probably the biggest one in cycling biomechanics. Plus, moving the saddle forward puts MORE pressure on your hands, not less. Can you lift both hands off the hoods just a little without falling forward? If not, you're probably already too far forward.
GJ is right that carpal tunnel is the most likely cause, but not right about the mechanism. The median nerve runs through a tight place in the wrist which can get tighter over time, especially in people who use their hands a lot. Bending the wrist in either direction can put pressure on the nerve, which likes a nice neutral (slightly flexed) wrist position. I get exactly the same thing, particularly in the winter and I know I have mild carpal tunnel syndrome.

I suggest trying to adjust the levers and bars to get that neutral wrist position. Agree with GJ that pressure is to be avoided, but mainly in as much as it's being applied to a bent wrist. You sound like too experienced a rider to be really weighting your hands and that problem usually crushes the nerve on the pinky side. There are other causes of numbness in the median nerve area, but they are a lot less common.

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To hell with the potential rain on Sunday. I’m going to go for it. It will be nice to get away, even for only one night.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
Mavic**********???? **** maybe shimano Ill check when I get home. Thank you for allowing me to waste internet space with a dumb question.
there are no dumb questions only dumb people.










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Originally Posted by genejockey
Yeah, I'd agree on getting a professional fit, if you've never had one. The numbness you describe sounds carpal-tunnelish, which suggests pressure n the middle of your palm. I actually find I get that if the hoods are angled up too much, I think because it bends my wrist more. I would NOT move the seat forward to address bar reach issues - saddle height and setback is its own issue, probably the biggest one in cycling biomechanics. Plus, moving the saddle forward puts MORE pressure on your hands, not less. Can you lift both hands off the hoods just a little without falling forward? If not, you're probably already too far forward.
I can now, before was iffy
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
GJ is right that carpal tunnel is the most likely cause, but not right about the mechanism. The median nerve runs through a tight place in the wrist which can get tighter over time, especially in people who use their hands a lot. Bending the wrist in either direction can put pressure on the nerve, which likes a nice neutral (slightly flexed) wrist position. I get exactly the same thing, particularly in the winter and I know I have mild carpal tunnel syndrome.

I suggest trying to adjust the levers and bars to get that neutral wrist position. Agree with GJ that pressure is to be avoided, but mainly in as much as it's being applied to a bent wrist. You sound like too experienced a rider to be really weighting your hands and that problem usually crushes the nerve on the pinky side. There are other causes of numbness in the median nerve area, but they are a lot less common.
I've been trying to avoid spending the dough on a Profesional fit. But I'm sick of screwing around. I could just keep firing the parts canon at it. But frankly I'm out of amo. I've been kicking this can down the road for 10 plus years. It's time.
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Originally Posted by ls01
I've been trying to avoid spending the dough on a Profesional fit. But I'm sick of screwing around. I could just keep firing the parts canon at it. But frankly I'm out of amo. I've been kicking this can down the road for 10 plus years. It's time.
Fiddling with fit can be a real trip down the rabbit hole. Last month on the Litespeed, I made a small adjustment and almost totally ruined what had been my most comfortable bike! And the advice you'll get, even from experienced riders will often be contradictory. Just look at every thread on bike fit! And sometimes the problem suggests everything but the right solution. When I got the Canyon, the first ride almost left me in tears. My hands kept going numb, which didn't happen on any of my other bikes. People will start telling you to raise your bars, get a shorter stem, etc. But the problem was the bars were too HIGH. Once I dropped them 2.5 cm, the numbness went away.
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Originally Posted by ls01
I've been trying to avoid spending the dough on a Profesional fit. But I'm sick of screwing around. I could just keep firing the parts canon at it. But frankly I'm out of amo. I've been kicking this can down the road for 10 plus years. It's time.
Do fitters understand nerve entrapment and wrist anatomy? I’ll be interested to see what they do for you. As I said, I have my own problems.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Fiddling with fit can be a real trip down the rabbit hole. Last month on the Litespeed, I made a small adjustment and almost totally ruined what had been my most comfortable bike! And the advice you'll get, even from experienced riders will often be contradictory. Just look at every thread on bike fit! And sometimes the problem suggests everything but the right solution. When I got the Canyon, the first ride almost left me in tears. My hands kept going numb, which didn't happen on any of my other bikes. People will start telling you to raise your bars, get a shorter stem, etc. But the problem was the bars were too HIGH. Once I dropped them 2.5 cm, the numbness went away.
Yeah, I know. I've been working with it for years, literally. I'm close, I'm fairly comfortable other than the amount of pressure on my hands, which is what's causing the numbness. My wrists were bent quite a bit with the wider bars which exacerbated the problem. I'm worried they will say I need to raise my bars. I'm already anti aero, a higher position isn't going to help me with that.
So Retule here we come. 10 weeks from now..... he's a bit backed up lol. I'll get his fit on one bike and match the others to it.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Do fitters understand nerve entrapment and wrist anatomy? I’ll be interested to see what they do for you. As I said, I have my own problems.
Taylor, the Retule expert I spoke with, told me they do a pretty scientific approach to fitting which includes flexibility, current fitness, injury history, riding goals etc.
for $250.00, I get 2- 2.5 hours fitting session and a followup 4 ish weeks later if needed. (Edit: also all the overpriced parts he can sell me.🙄 )So we'll see.

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52/39 wouldn’t work on the C2, small chain ring wanted to eat the frame.


So cervelo got new cranks today. 50/34 chain rings, 105 cranks, ultegra 11/25 cassette and a bontrager rsl carbon seat post.

Bike rides amazing, and the clicking is gone.


More importantly, The Ritchey has cranks! So 105 should be happening sooner than later. Super team wheels will be on hold though.

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I wear Specialized Defroster boots and Defeet Woolie Boolie socks, when it gets cold. Toasty warm feet.

Going to do an Antarctic tour soon?

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Going to do an Antarctic tour soon?

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18 months to go 900 miles unsupported? First, how do you travel unsupported across Antarctica?
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I'm about done with birthdays.
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I'm about done with birthdays.

You found out how to stop time?
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This is the hub.


Im gunna try and put an 11 speed cassette on this tomorrow but I am pretty positive it won’t fit.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
I'm about done with birthdays.
Sounds ominous.
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I'm about done with birthdays.
Oh?
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
You found out how to stop time?
Originally Posted by rjones28
Sounds ominous.
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Oh?
We are 361 days from the crash. Seven days until the kidney stone procedure. Today I am a man, per Mike Gundy. Clearly good birthdays no longer occur for me, so maybe just stop counting or thinking about them.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
This is the hub.


Im gunna try and put an 11 speed cassette on this tomorrow but I am pretty positive it won’t fit.
Yeah, probably not. Freehub bodies aren't too expensive. Shimano Ultegra Fh-6800/Fh-CX75 Freehub | Jenson USA
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Yeah, probably not. Freehub bodies aren't too expensive. Shimano Ultegra Fh-6800/Fh-CX75 Freehub | Jenson USA
From the research I am doing, that’s not going to work. Correct me if I am wrong, but no 11 speed shimano free hub body will work with Ultegra 6500 hubs.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06



This is the hub.


Im gunna try and put an 11 speed cassette on this tomorrow but I am pretty positive it won’t fit.

it should. I think

EDIT!!!

INCORRECT!!! Warning!!! The above post is incorrect!!!

I took my 6700 hubbed wheel apart and tried the 11 speed cassette on it. No bueno. Does not fit.

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