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Old 11-16-22, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 View Post
With all this talk, I remember my sister gave me half a Xanax once, and I was shocked by its properties. She was on a three a day regimen, which I found to be unbelievable.
That is exactly what I thought when, during a time of extreme stress, I took one. The swirling thoughts winked out one by one, and it was like a warm blanket settled over my mind. I thought, "This oblivion could be really addictive."

Later, I mean. I thought that later. On the Xanax, I was barely thinking at all.
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It seems that you live in a wind tunnel. Fontana is like that, too.
By far the windiest place I have lived. This old house is making lots of strange noises this morning. The owner added a room at the rear which is where I am now and the double French doors are creaking with the gusts and I can see them moving inward.
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By far the windiest place I have lived. This old house is making lots of strange noises this morning. The owner added a room at the rear which is where I am now and the double French doors are creaking with the gusts and I can see them moving inward.
Yikes! Stay safe, John.
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It strikes me as odd that in 1990 there seemed to be such concern about doling them out in a situation like mine. (It's not like I simply sprained my ankle.) Was a lessening of that type of concern what led to the opioid crisis?
It’s more that oxy was falsely marketed as a not abusable long term pain management medication and many physicians were actively pushed to prescribe it and large distribution companies and pharmacies didn’t want to get off the gravy train once they learned the truth
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They sent me home from my hernia surgery with some oxycodone. I didn't use it.
For my last hernia I used the Oxy for about 1 day and then ditched it for some Advil. How people can enjoy that Oxy high is beyond me.
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Yesterday the first distribution of funds from multi-billion dollar opioid lawsuits was started.

Funding from national opioid settlement heading to Missoula County (kpax.com)
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. . . things are blowing around the yard, the gates have been ripped open, and the house has been shaking all night. Maybe no ride today.


Think it over, you wouldn't want to make a rash decision and miss a ride just to be safe or, you know, alive.
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We got 2-3 inches of snow overnight, inside ride for me this morning.
We got 2 inches, followed by rain. No shoveling involved.
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It strikes me as odd that in 1990 there seemed to be such concern about doling them out in a situation like mine. (It's not like I simply sprained my ankle.) Was a lessening of that type of concern what led to the opioid crisis?
The opioid crisis had two main causes, in my opinion:

On the supply side, the pharmas developed a bunch of very potent synthetic opiates and, in order to sell them, promoted two bogus but plausible ideas: 1. that patients with real pain could take opiates without risk of addiction and 2. that time-release pain pills had greatly reduced addictive potential. They marshaled their scientific and sales apparatus and launched a huge campaign to make pain the "5th vital sign" and make every doc and nurse an advocate for its total eradication.

On the demand side, white, working class, America fell into a spiral of despair and social dissolution and embodied it as an epidemic of chronic pain. Of course, the massive influx of dope overflowed the pain population and became an epidemic simple abuse. The mechanisms linking social stress and the inability to suppress or tolerate pain are pretty well worked out at this point, but the concept is still beyond common understanding.

Then, of course, the crooked docs, pharmacies, and pill wholesalers stepped up to facilitate.

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Think it over, you wouldn't want to make a rash decision and miss a ride just to be safe or, you know, alive.
With 55mph gusts I'm concerned about driving to the store.
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The poppy is a gift from a merciful god, no doubt. The neck would actually have been perfectly survivable without narcs and I was off completely at 36 hours, but I've had a couple of things where I was glad to have them.
For my shoulder surgery I made the mistake of waiting too long to start the meds. I pray I never make that mistake again, you can't allow the nerve block to wear off before starting the narcotics.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha View Post
The opioid crisis had two main causes, in my opinion:

On the supply side, the pharmas developed a bunch of very potent synthetic opiates and, in order to sell them, promoted two bogus but plausible ideas: 1. that patients with real pain could take opiates without risk of addiction and 2. that time-release pain pills had greatly reduced addictive potential. They marshaled their scientific and sales apparatus and launched a huge campaign to make pain the "5th vital sign" and make every doc and nurse an advocate for its total eradication.

On the demand side, white, working class, America fell into a spiral of despair and social dissolution and embodied it as an epidemic of chronic pain. Of course, the massive influx of dope overflowed the pain population and became an epidemic simple abuse. The mechanisms linking social stress and the inability to suppress or tolerate pain are pretty well worked out at this point, but the concept is still beyond common understanding.

Then, of course, the crooked docs, pharmacies, and pill wholesalers stepped up to facilitate.

"The United States makes up 4.4% of the world’s population, and consumes over 80% of the world’s opioids. The US consumes approximately 99% percent of the world’s hydrocodone."

"Over the last 20 years, the narrative about pain has moved from something that we cope with or manage, to a condition that can be alleviated or even eliminated. "

https://www.health.state.mn.us/commu...20hydrocodone.
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The opioid crisis had two main causes, in my opinion:

On the supply side, the pharmas developed a bunch of very potent synthetic opiates and, in order to sell them, promoted two bogus but plausible ideas: 1. that patients with real pain could take opiates without risk of addiction and 2. that time-release pain pills had greatly reduced addictive potential. They marshaled their scientific and sales apparatus and launched a huge campaign to make pain the "5th vital sign" and make every doc and nurse an advocate for its total eradication.

On the demand side, white, working class, America fell into a spiral of despair and social dissolution and embodied it as an epidemic of chronic pain. Of course, the massive influx of dope overflowed the pain population and became an epidemic simple abuse. The mechanisms linking social stress and the inability to suppress or tolerate pain are pretty well worked out at this point, but the concept is still beyond common understanding.

Then, of course, the crooked docs, pharmacies, and pill wholesalers stepped up to facilitate.
If only we had listened to Westley...

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Good news: had a fantastic ride.

Bad news: the Saturn failed inspection. Apparently mucho rust underneath including exhaust system. I am waiting for an estimate from the mechanic but mrs datlas will likely veto any repairs north of $500-ish.

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Here's a question for the renowned Addiction think tank.

I know this family of three young sisters, and each one has a husband. One of those guys is my stepson, meaning he's my wife's natural son. Does that make the other 2 guys my brother-in-laws? Does that make the three girls my daughter-in-laws? I'm so confused. Should I start a thread?
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Good news: had a fantastic ride.

Bad news: the Saturn failed inspection. Apparently mucho rust underneath including exhaust system. I am waiting for an estimate from the mechanic but mrs datlas will likely veto any repairs north of $500-ish.

Stay tuned.
$500 is a lot cheaper than a new car. If it can be made safe and serviceable for a couple grand and would then go another couple years=win.

If the structure is compromised by rust, fuhgeddaboudit.
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Good news: had a fantastic ride.

Bad news: the Saturn failed inspection. Apparently mucho rust underneath including exhaust system. I am waiting for an estimate from the mechanic but mrs datlas will likely veto any repairs north of $500-ish.

Stay tuned.
The end is near.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha View Post
The opioid crisis had two main causes, in my opinion:

On the supply side, the pharmas developed a bunch of very potent synthetic opiates and, in order to sell them, promoted two bogus but plausible ideas: 1. that patients with real pain could take opiates without risk of addiction and 2. that time-release pain pills had greatly reduced addictive potential. They marshaled their scientific and sales apparatus and launched a huge campaign to make pain the "5th vital sign" and make every doc and nurse an advocate for its total eradication.

On the demand side, white, working class, America fell into a spiral of despair and social dissolution and embodied it as an epidemic of chronic pain. Of course, the massive influx of dope overflowed the pain population and became an epidemic simple abuse. The mechanisms linking social stress and the inability to suppress or tolerate pain are pretty well worked out at this point, but the concept is still beyond common understanding.

Then, of course, the crooked docs, pharmacies, and pill wholesalers stepped up to facilitate.
It’s a bit more complicated, but pretty much as above.
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The end is near.
Prolly.

What car should I get? The Cooper Mini electric is SO CUTE but I don’t think my bike will fit in the back, even with the seats down.
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Prolly.

What car should I get? The Cooper Mini electric is SO CUTE but I don’t think my bike will fit in the back, even with the seats down.
I spent a couple hours looking into electric cars, it kind of reinforced my thinking, which is that if you only ever drive locally, and can charge at home, especially during off-peak hours, they seem great. Road trips, however, can be fraught with range anxiety and charging anxiety. The last part is FAR less true for Teslas, because of their supercharger network, which may be the real genius of Tesla - building out a network of chargers ahead of need, and having them just work reliably. I'm not looking to replace the Dodge for at least 2 years, maybe longer, but most likely what I'll replace it with will be electric, and I'm hoping that charging infrastructure will be out of its 'growing pains' years.

Regarding not holding a bike, I carried my bikes on a roof rack for years when I had a Subaru Outback, which was convenient, BUT if I brought a bike to work for riding afterwards, I had to take it off the rack, bring it inside, then put it back on the rack when I left to drive to where I rode from. Sure, you can lock your fork mount. And a determined thief could steal everything but the fork with a 5mm allen key.
EDIT: Since I got the Dodge, I just chuck the bike in the back with the seats down, and it is both secure and largely out of sight..
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BTW, I used Google to check out electric cars and charging so I'm now an expert!
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But did you stay at the Holiday Inn?
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Here's a question for the renowned Addiction think tank.

I know this family of three young sisters, and each one has a husband. One of those guys is my stepson, meaning he's my wife's natural son. Does that make the other 2 guys my brother-in-laws? Does that make the three girls my daughter-in-laws? I'm so confused. Should I start a thread?
I think his wife is your step-daughter-in-law, and her sisters and their husbands are not really anything to you.

My wife's father remarried after they split up, to a woman who already had two daughters. He adopted them, but Mrs. GJ's Mom had custody of her, so they aren't really step sisters, and they aren't really half-sisters, so they call themselves "Half Step Sisters". I asked whether, if one of them went into rehab, would she be a 12-Step Sister?
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But did you stay at the Holiday Inn?
Not since 2020, and I really don't want to go through what I went through then again. Suffice to say, it was not a fun time in our lives.
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Prolly.

What car should I get? The Cooper Mini electric is SO CUTE but I don’t think my bike will fit in the back, even with the seats down.
My dad puts his bike in the back of his Vette. I'll bet you can get one in a Mini.
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