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Old 11-30-22, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by rje58_too View Post
EXACTLY! Because only YOU and the other club riders or whatever clique YOU belong to ride REAL bicycles!

Nothing quite like validating stereotypes and cliches', is there?

You can ban me now, because my primary rides are a 2019 Trek FX2 and a 2011 Fuji Absolute. My 10,000 miles on them mean NOTHING, because I'm obviously NOT a REAL cyclist! I'm sure some of you "real cyclists" ride that far in much less time than it took me.

When you're done putting words in my mouth, try to understand that the overwhelming majority of people who purchase hybrids are more casual riders. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's nothing to get angry and defensive about. All I meant was that I've sold a lot of bikes over the years, and I know who their target market is.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I rode about 10,000 miles on a FX3 over three years (increasingly using other bikes by the end of the 3 years), and that's definitely the way I used it. It was a surprisingly fast bike, I regularly frustrated the hell out of some Cat 6 drop bar types. It was pretty fast on the level, but like I said above, it climbed better than any road bike I've ever had.
I put together a "townie" bike from an older road frame for my daughter to take to college (thankfully, she left it at home). I was impressed with how zippy it is. The BMC I posted earlier in this thread is probably an absolute rocket. In contrast, the hybrid my sister bought in the mid-90's was kind of a slug. It was a low-mid level Trek with "go anywhere" tires. If it got a total of 1,000 miles on it before she gave it away, I would be surprised - a mediocre bike for a mediocre rider.
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Old 11-30-22, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
I'm genuinely curious...What makes a "fitness" bike different from other hybrids? Looking at the upper end of the Trek FX series - which they market as "fitness" bikes - the theme seems to be "road bike speed, but more comfortable". Basically, a flat bar road bike, rather than the multi-surface capabilities often associated with other hybrid varieties. Is this fairly accurate?
I think that is about right; I also think "flat bar road bike" is a more accurate -- or at least useful -- descriptor than 'fitness bike': a bicycle designed for people -- like me -- who like road cycling* and 'road bikes' but who prefer their bicycle** to have flat rather than drop bars.

*I don't ride in order to attain/maintain/improve 'fitness'. The 'fitness' thing is a nice by-product of the activity, but I ride because I love cycling -- have done since I was a kid.
** Current bike shown in post #24 this thread.

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Old 11-30-22, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
When you're done putting words in my mouth, try to understand that the overwhelming majority of people who purchase hybrids are more casual riders. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's nothing to get angry and defensive about. All I meant was that I've sold a lot of bikes over the years, and I know who their target market is.
I am neither angry nor defensive, although I used to get annoyed when people would find out I was a cyclist and they'd either a. start treating me differently or b. ask "you're not one of those... club riders... or whatever they call them... are you?" I just chuckle to myself now... I'm used to it. And while I don't appreciate such behavior, there are times when it seems to get validated to one degree or another. Most stereotypes and cliches', fair or not, don't just get dreamed up or created out of thin air. That doesn't mean it's right, or fair.

Seems that many people have this stereotype of cyclists being some kind of arrogant, clique-ish, "yes as a matter of fact, I am better than you" types? Not fair, is it?
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Old 11-30-22, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by rje58_too View Post
I am neither angry nor defensive
The acerbic sarcasm of your earlier post suggests otherwise, but sorry if I misinterpreted.

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Seems that many people have this stereotype of cyclists being some kind of arrogant, clique-ish, "yes as a matter of fact, I am better than you" types? Not fair, is it?
Maybe it comes with my age, but I don't much concern myself with stuff that's out of my control. I'm certainly not going to embark on a crusade to rectify unfair stereotypes. You do you, of course.
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Old 11-30-22, 03:45 PM
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Most things we call hybrids are not really hybrids of anything. They are just normal bikes. The fact that they fall between MTBs and paved road racing bikes in a few metrics does not make them a “hybrid” any more than an average height person is a hybrid of a tall and short person.
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Old 11-30-22, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
The acerbic sarcasm of your earlier post suggests otherwise, but sorry if I misinterpreted.
Maybe it comes with my age, but I don't much concern myself with stuff that's out of my control. I'm certainly not going to embark on a crusade to rectify unfair stereotypes. You do you, of course.
We agree more than we disagree, I think. I am not tilting at windmills or going on some useless crusade. But as a cyclist, or hiker, or male or any other group that I am a member of, I actually appreciate it when someone points out to me if I am doing or saying things that tend to validate some negative stereotypes about - say for example - men. I don't want to be "that guy".

As for age, surely you can't be older than me!
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Old 11-30-22, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
Sure. A majority of bike users around the world probably do it out of necessity, rather than "sport".
Majority of bike users around the world do it as a hobby, they ride for fitness and recreation, commuting and for fun. The ones who ride for sport or performance and the ones who ride out of necessity are both in a minority
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post

Commuting is serious biking in my mind
Agreed, especially winter commuting which takes cycling to a much higher level of seriousness.
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Old 11-30-22, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
What constitutes a "serious" rider is entirely subjective, and has almost nothing to do with the bike they ride.
Agreed.
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Old 11-30-22, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Majority of bike users around the world do it as a hobby, they ride for fitness and recreation, commuting and for fun. The ones who ride for sport or performance and the ones who ride out of necessity are both in a minority
You state that with a lot of certainty. Do you have any data?

Does riding for performance/sport exclude having fun? That's not how I remember it.
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Does riding for performance/sport exclude having fun?
Not at all....Some people get fun from competing and chasing numbers, some people get fun from commuting, some people get fun from off road bikepacking or loaded touring, some people get fun from riding singletrack on their mountain bike others get fun from going on a casual ride on an MUP. To each his own.
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Old 11-30-22, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
You state that with a lot of certainty. Do you have any data?
You were the one who said that majority of cyclists in this world ride out of necessity. Do you have any data to support it ?
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Old 11-30-22, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Not at all....Some people get fun from competing and chasing numbers, some people get fun from commuting, some people get fun from off road bikepacking or loaded touring, some people get fun from riding singletrack on their mountain bike others get fun from going on a casual ride on an MUP. To each his own.
I'm unclear on why you separated out performance/sport riding from other kinds of non-necessity riding. My intent with the use of "sport" before was encompassing of all non-necessity bike use - casual, fitness, commuting (by choice), competition, etc.
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Some of you must be new around here.

Never imagined the “serious” comment would have such legs.
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
You were the one who said that majority of cyclists in this world ride out of necessity. Do you have any data to support it ?
I also said "probably", because it was an estimate based on my current mediocre understanding of bike use in areas that are significantly different that the one I live in. The small amount of information I have seems to indicate that there are many highly-populated areas (primarily in Asia) where travel by bicycle is a primary mode of transportation for a whole lot of people (necessity, not recreation). I'm not saying you're wrong. Your statement just came across as very sure, and a direct contradiction to my current thoughts. I'm just wondering if you have some factual data on the subject so that I might expand/improve my knowledge.
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Old 11-30-22, 05:54 PM
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Can't we all just get along ... lol
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Some of you must be new around here.

Never imagined the “serious” comment would have such legs.
I think a serious cyclist is more of a hybrid. Not worthy of being considered a professional but more than just a hobbyist.

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Can't we all just get along ... lol
I think this thread answers that question pretty well.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Right. And it's not just a "sport"!

When you get down to it, there's how many billion cyclists in the world? Most likely, our personal knowledge about how other people ride on what equipment is barely going to scratch the surface. There's a lot of people in the world who ride on extremely cheap bicycles as a matter of making a living, what the hell is more serious than that?
There's this Asian expat worker dude who delivers orders on his decrepit BMX wannabe bicycle out of a neighborhood supermarket near where we live, and he asked me a couple of times if I had an old bike that I was willing to let go that he could use for his job (sadly, I did not.) I'd rather go out riding with him on his day off than with Chris Froome (but he probably wouldn't want to be out riding on his day off.)
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I'm unclear on why you separated out performance/sport riding from other kinds of non-necessity riding. My intent with the use of "sport" before was encompassing of all non-necessity bike use - casual, fitness, commuting (by choice), competition, etc.
The way I see it, riding for sport or performance means racing and competing against other riders or training to achieve some competitive goal. All other non-competitive forms of cycling are just recreational cycling, casual cycling or commuting.
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Originally Posted by Herzlos View Post
I suspect that if you asked a random person to draw or describe a bike, they'd produce something like a hybrid.

But yeah, to the "serious" cyclist a hybrid is the worst of all options, but to the average person who doesn't have a garage full of different bike options, it's just a bike and gets them about.
It sounds to me like you're saying that hybrids and serious riding are mutually exclusive. And yet your remark about hybrid bikes being the worst choice of bike would imply that you've been spending a lot of time riding a lot of hybrids. You must take your cycling very seriously, then.
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Originally Posted by prj71 View Post
The occasional riders I know that may put 100-200 miles a year on a bike are occasional and not very serious about biking at all.
You put it as though those people have a deficiency of some kind and you'd rather be seen with the "serious" ones instead.
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Originally Posted by rje58_too View Post
EXACTLY! Because only YOU and the other club riders or whatever clique YOU belong to ride REAL bicycles!

Nothing quite like validating stereotypes and cliches', is there?

You can ban me now, because my primary rides are a 2019 Trek FX2 and a 2011 Fuji Absolute. My 10,000 miles on them mean NOTHING, because I'm obviously NOT a REAL cyclist! I'm sure some of you "real cyclists" ride that far in much less time than it took me.
It's a mathematical fact that I'm six times as serious a cyclist as you. Here's mathematical proof: You have your FX2, while I own (and ride - occasionally, that is) not one, but two Trek 7.6 FXs. So

Either of my 7.6s ÷ your FX2=3

Since I have two 7.6s...

3x2=6!
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Originally Posted by Eric F View Post
I'm genuinely curious...What makes a "fitness" bike different from other hybrids? Looking at the upper end of the Trek FX series - which they market as "fitness" bikes - the theme seems to be "road bike speed, but more comfortable". Basically, a flat bar road bike, rather than the multi-surface capabilities often associated with other hybrid varieties. Is this fairly accurate?
Despite what the detractors might have you believe, fitness bikes are not flat-bar road bikes. Far from it, actually. Since you brought up the FX, Trek had an actual flat-bar road bike range in their lineup - the short-lived Zektor, as it was called - back when the general thinking in the industry was that the flat-bar road bike was going to be the next bike thing (turned out it was so-called "gravel" bikes that were the next big thing.) Despite the fact that the both feature flat handlebars, the Zektor and the FX were very different bikes.
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