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Wear a friggin' shirt, then. Nobody asked you to post that really gross butt picture.
I'd feel a lot worse about your neck if you didn't tell us about all the stupid dangerous crap you do.
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I don't care if you broke your neck, broke your back, or broke wind so hard it hurt. Nobody id "bullying" you at all and no one is thinking you are anything but "not a winner" for crying about being bullied. There is real bullying out there ..... and real victims. You are lame .... and not because of past injuries.
Also, if you post a pic of yourself you are inviting comments. Toughen up, snowflake. You literally asked for it.
By the way ... by your description, the guys you ride with bully other riders and you think it is just fabulous. Recall what i said up above about internet history?
As for not wearing a shirt---if a group asks you to wear a shirt, and you won't you are a [pick a term] (mods, can I say "sex aid"? I don't want to start a problem .... )
I hate wearing a helmet but if that is what the group requires, I do. I might not like all the group rules, but I follow them. it is what adults do. And I don't follow the rules and then crap on the people who made them .... if I don't like the rules I can ride elsewhere. yeah .... ideas like "respect" and cooperation" seem a little bit foreign to you. I assume in a while (you seem kind of young) you will learn that you can both be yourself and respect others.
I won't ask how old you are because maturity is not a function of age. It will suffice to say that I imagine that a few years of mellowing will improve the product, and wish you well on you way ...
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Quit your whining.
I don't care if you broke your neck, broke your back, or broke wind so hard it hurt. Nobody id "bullying" you at all and no one is thinking you are anything but "not a winner" for crying about being bullied. There is real bullying out there ..... and real victims. You are lame .... and not because of past injuries.
Also, if you post a pic of yourself you are inviting comments. Toughen up, snowflake. You literally asked for it.
By the way ... by your description, the guys you ride with bully other riders and you think it is just fabulous. Recall what i said up above about internet history?
As for not wearing a shirt---if a group asks you to wear a shirt, and you won't you are a [[i]pick a term] (mods, can I say "sex aid"? I don't want to start a problem .... )
I hate wearing a helmet but if that is what the group requires, I do. I might not like all the group rules, but I follow them. it is what adults do. And I don't follow the rules and then crap on the people who made them .... if I don't like the rules I can ride elsewhere. yeah .... ideas like "respect" and cooperation" seem a little bit foreign to you. I assume in a while (you seem kind of young) you will learn that you can both be yourself and respect others.
I won't ask how old you are because maturity is not a function of age. It will suffice to say that I imagine that a few years of mellowing will improve the product, and wish you well on you way ...
I don't care if you broke your neck, broke your back, or broke wind so hard it hurt. Nobody id "bullying" you at all and no one is thinking you are anything but "not a winner" for crying about being bullied. There is real bullying out there ..... and real victims. You are lame .... and not because of past injuries.
Also, if you post a pic of yourself you are inviting comments. Toughen up, snowflake. You literally asked for it.
By the way ... by your description, the guys you ride with bully other riders and you think it is just fabulous. Recall what i said up above about internet history?
As for not wearing a shirt---if a group asks you to wear a shirt, and you won't you are a [[i]pick a term] (mods, can I say "sex aid"? I don't want to start a problem .... )
I hate wearing a helmet but if that is what the group requires, I do. I might not like all the group rules, but I follow them. it is what adults do. And I don't follow the rules and then crap on the people who made them .... if I don't like the rules I can ride elsewhere. yeah .... ideas like "respect" and cooperation" seem a little bit foreign to you. I assume in a while (you seem kind of young) you will learn that you can both be yourself and respect others.
I won't ask how old you are because maturity is not a function of age. It will suffice to say that I imagine that a few years of mellowing will improve the product, and wish you well on you way ...
2) None of the racing training rides have asked me to wear a shirt, only the club ride (and I guess genejockys ride lol)
3) I don't approve of the race rides passing other riders too closely and ive expressed my concerns with people but its not something I can change.
the purpose of that pic was to show that a moderator for the fb group of that ride (doesn't mean anything but whatever) says im a good guy.
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Dude ... your first two comments are meaningless ..... and if you don't like what a group does, you do not support that group, it is called "having integrity" or "having the courage of one's convictions." if you think their behavior is not acceptable but you join them in that behavior, you are as guilty as the rest ... that fact that you "said something" one time doesn't get you off.
Fact is you described the group as "glorious" or maybe "fabulous," before anyone said much about their bad behavior ... so back-tracking and pretending that you stood up for righteousness isn't fooling anyone.
Whatever ... not much anyone here could say would likely help you. I think you just need to live a while and learn on your own .... just like the rest of us.
One note .... learning isn't passive.
Fact is you described the group as "glorious" or maybe "fabulous," before anyone said much about their bad behavior ... so back-tracking and pretending that you stood up for righteousness isn't fooling anyone.
Whatever ... not much anyone here could say would likely help you. I think you just need to live a while and learn on your own .... just like the rest of us.
One note .... learning isn't passive.
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Yep, that confirms it. It was Larry I saw, chasing the Spectrum Ride a month or so ago.
I long ago decided never to make fun of cyclists fatter than me, no matter how much fatter, because, by god, they're out there on the road. So, good on you, Larry, or Gabe, since I gather Larry Sellerz is a nom de plume.
I long ago decided never to make fun of cyclists fatter than me, no matter how much fatter, because, by god, they're out there on the road. So, good on you, Larry, or Gabe, since I gather Larry Sellerz is a nom de plume.
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Maelochs I ride with them because they are the fastest and I want to challenge myself, I don't have to agree with everything they do. Frankly most of the close passing is incidental and not intentional at all. The club rides with leaders have problems of their own... whenever you get 50+ cyclists together there will be something of concern its just the nature of the beast. Nobody is being a jerk on purpose. Ty Gene im trying to lose my belly. Larry sellers is that kid in the Big Lebowski who was stonewalling John Goodman.
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Excellent choice of movie for choosing a pseudonym.
"We want the MONEY, Lebowski! She cut off her toe!!!"
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Here's my take on you, for it to mean anything, you're gonna need to be somewhat self-reflective and honest with yourself.
I think you're here because you are looking for community with other cyclists, a hunch further supported by the fact that you have posted numerous times about your attempts to join group rides...sometimes invited (e.g., at a meetup point), and sometimes uninvited (e.g., racing some dude who is out on a solo ride, who never asked for you to join him). You come in here and relate these stories and tales to us, and you ostensibly want us to give you a virtual pat on the back and say "Attaboy, you're one of us." But, somewhere in every one of these stories, you also make it known that you refuse to be a part of the community by your steadfast insistence that you shouldn't have to conform to the rules and norms of that community's culture. For example, explaining a sharp indignance at having to wear a helmet or a short (aka, a jersey), and chalking it up as righteous because "They're just being elitists." Or, explaining how you think it should be fine to tack on the back of a ride uninvited and draft (but, I can assure you at three bike lengths, you aren't drafting, you're just lurking which is even weirder). There are good reasons for some of the rules. In some cases it is a matter of safety, and in others they stem solely from how the community sees itself.
You are going to continue to struggle to be a part of the community you want to join if you continue to refuse to adapt to and conform to some of the basic rules of the community. That you think you've been accepted IRL goes to show how socially unaware you are. I can assure you based on the screenshot you posted and then your own commentary on it, at least some of them are throwing shade at you. And, the sole reason is you, in particular your apparent and stated refusal to try to fit in and conform to the rules of the community.
Think about this: YOU are the only person who has the power to change this.
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Gotta say, this guy sure knows how to troll a boring pointless argument.
The sell-by date on this schtick expired a while ago, and he basically just mooned the thread. Genug mit dis guy.
The sell-by date on this schtick expired a while ago, and he basically just mooned the thread. Genug mit dis guy.
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I’ve never used the term fred, but I always thought that traditionally it was someone who didn’t have the “correct” look. Whether it was the clothes, or the bike, or the number of bags on a bike. It might even be someone wearing spandex to mountain bike. I would say, it would include not wearing a shirt.
But a fred was never a poser. A poser in any sport is someone who buys whatever is needed just to fit in, but not really wanting to put in the necessary effort, training, or practice to be at the level they are trying to promote.
It was infinitely worse to be a poser than a fred.
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But a fred was never a poser. A poser in any sport is someone who buys whatever is needed just to fit in, but not really wanting to put in the necessary effort, training, or practice to be at the level they are trying to promote.
It was infinitely worse to be a poser than a fred.
John
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I’ve never used the term fred, but I always thought that traditionally it was someone who didn’t have the “correct” look. Whether it was the clothes, or the bike, or the number of bags on a bike. It might even be someone wearing spandex to mountain bike. I would say, it would include not wearing a shirt.
But a fred was never a poser. A poser in any sport is someone who buys whatever is needed just to fit in, but not really wanting to put in the necessary effort, training, or practice to be at the level they are trying to promote.
It was infinitely worse to be a poser than a fred.
John
But a fred was never a poser. A poser in any sport is someone who buys whatever is needed just to fit in, but not really wanting to put in the necessary effort, training, or practice to be at the level they are trying to promote.
It was infinitely worse to be a poser than a fred.
John
Fred is one of those terms that are used to mean completely opposite things--I think you're using it in its original sense, but now it's also being used to describe posers. Anyway, this guy's attempted insult of me is that I'm a slow non-racer. Whatever. He's hijacked the thread into comments on his aspic ass-pic.
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The Etiquette of Drafting? I'm not sure we're ready for that just yet. Apparently we're still trying to get all the members on board with wearing clothes while out in public.
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