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Help in ID: Colnago or Fauxnago?

Old 08-15-20, 08:27 PM
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Help in ID: Colnago or Fauxnago?

hi i need help in id or knowing if the bike is colnago or in any way linked to colnago or what bike is it The clover stamp can only be found on the lugs on the headtube going to the downtube. Nowhere else. There is a clover cutout on the bb shell but it also has tiny dots or holes forming a triangle maybe as the stem of the clover cutout? I cant upload any image since im still a new member. Sorry.

Id appreciate any insigjt ir help please, thank you
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Old 08-16-20, 06:46 AM
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You will need 10 posts to enable posting of pictures. It looks like you only need 6 more so you are on the way. I'd like to see the pictures.
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Old 08-17-20, 04:21 AM
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maybe this will do it
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Here are your images...

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...yes, those image links work. It does not look like any Colnago I've ever seen from the 70's or 80's. The fork crown looks like what shows up on a lot of French bikes. Otherwise, I can't help much.
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Old 08-17-20, 09:01 AM
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Not a Colnago.
I owned a bike with an inverse "clover" not that brand either.

On the bottom bracket cups will be most often a thread type stamp. Report that and the seat post size if can be found.
Fork looks earlier, then drilled to accept the recessed nut.
Always a chance the fork and the frame were mated long after the two were built.
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Fauxnago for sure!
The "clover" under the BB looks to have been done by some guy named Duffus Schmaltz.........in a van.....by the river.......next to the highschool........
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Nope, not a Colnago. Clues to identity may be hinted at by stampings on dropouts and BB shell dimensions and threadings. Seat post diameter may help, too.

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Old 08-21-20, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Chombi1
Fauxnago for sure!
The "clover" under the BB looks to have been done by some guy named Duffus Schmaltz.........in a van.....by the river.......next to the highschool........
LOL! i knew it from the start, im looking for clues what this frame could be. Anyway thank you so much
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Originally Posted by repechage
Not a Colnago.
I owned a bike with an inverse "clover" not that brand either.

On the bottom bracket cups will be most often a thread type stamp. Report that and the seat post size if can be found.
Fork looks earlier, then drilled to accept the recessed nut.
Always a chance the fork and the frame were mated long after the two were built.
Any chance you might know some similar bikes? or any direction as to the id of the frame?at least I know its not in any way related to colnago neither ron cooper who uses card suites in his frames.
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there has been some lug thinning, i can't tell if it's haphazard or consistent, probably due to the mess of paint. I particularly can't figure out what was done on the lower head tube lug. Maybe a frame-building class bike. Better photo of that lug cut out might help;
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there has been some lug thinning, i can't tell if it's haphazard or consistent, probably due to the mess of paint. I particularly can't figure out what was done on the lower head tube lug. Maybe a frame-building class bike. Better photo of that lug cut out might help;

Seems like the tail of the clover is atrached to the clover


This bb shell is the biggest mystery to me
Here are some more pics 😊
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Thoughts on your frame.

Originally Posted by NormanB

Seems like the tail of the clover is atrached to the clover


This bb shell is the biggest mystery to me
Here are some more pics 😊
Norman, I just noticed that you are in Manila. (I can be somewhat slow at times.) Mostly locations don't affect things much. This time, I am going to venture it does. I said before I thought it looked possibly like "student" work. Now I'm going to guess, local enthusiast. Bet almost anything. The small size of the frame forces the head lugs to intersect. I have read professional frame builders, noting how difficult it is to make that conjunction smoothly, there are so many factors at play. The Philippines in general, and Manila specifically, has a very active and inventive welding industry, from Jeepneys to commercial and domestic custom fabrication, there is an abundance of skilled artisans who work with metal. I think this frame was the work of one such.
It would explain the bottom bracket, and lug details. The builder was referencing a Colnago, not trying to truly make a "fake". I hope you are not disappointed, by my guess, I think you have something pretty unique on your hands. There may even be a way to trace it back to the builder. Take a look at my recent track bike thread regarding who may have built it. Someone may remember the guy who loved bikes.
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Fauxnago for sure
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Norman, I just noticed that you are in Manila. (I can be somewhat slow at times.) Mostly locations don't affect things much. This time, I am going to venture it does. I said before I thought it looked possibly like "student" work. Now I'm going to guess, local enthusiast. Bet almost anything. The small size of the frame forces the head lugs to intersect. I have read professional frame builders, noting how difficult it is to make that conjunction smoothly, there are so many factors at play. The Philippines in general, and Manila specifically, has a very active and inventive welding industry, from Jeepneys to commercial and domestic custom fabrication, there is an abundance of skilled artisans who work with metal. I think this frame was the work of one such.
It would explain the bottom bracket, and lug details. The builder was referencing a Colnago, not trying to truly make a "fake". I hope you are not disappointed, by my guess, I think you have something pretty unique on your hands. There may even be a way to trace it back to the builder. Take a look at my recent track bike thread regarding who may have built it. Someone may remember the guy who loved bikes.
Best regards, Eric
Not dissappointed at all 😊 thats the closest direction i have. Its nice to hear someone knows our local industry and shares my hunch. Your right with the artisan builders. We have a lot like ave maldea, pusaworks, etc. who started as jeepneys welders in their younger years and now has thriving handmade bike fab businesses and continuously being patronized by young bike enthusiasts.. and very affordable. I guess ill keep this one as is, who knows in the future someone might recognize it, i still have space to spare for this one 😅. Thanks for all the insights and help. Stay safe.
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