jdawginsc 

You could use some rubbing compound on the areas touched up and sometimes it will blend the touch-up to the original.

JacobLee 

Thanks, I’ll try that. We got the color pretty close, but it was Testors, so it brushed on pretty lumpy. I’ll try the rubbing compound, then maybe some clear metallic. At least the bare metal is covered and it looks good from ten feet.

glenfong

I found a Shimano BB-6400 bottom bracket in a DeRosa given to me from my brother. Italian threaded, 70mm bb shell with a Nuovo Record crankset. The mounting taper of that era crank is closer to JIS (Japan standard) than ISO, so it does work.

From renehersecycles.com (2013): "It is slightly larger, somewhat stronger, square taper interface. It is this taper that is used on all classic Gran Sport, Record, Nuovo Record and Super Record cranksets. It is also this taper that was used as the basis for the JIS standard. So if you are fitting a new BB to a classic Campagnolo crankset, treating it as JIS will provide a close approximation; closer than assuming it is ISO, anyway."

glenfong

velomateo

Oh yeah, those are definitely different. Might be a little tough to replace pads in those.

SJX426 

@JacobLee - How did the OA bath work on those rust runners under the paint?
My Burley had the same and because of that, I stripped it. and found a ton of runners which did not show with paint blisters.
P1010027 on Flickr
P1010140 on Flickr
Treated by sanding.
P1010141 on Flickr

JacobLee 

Yes, it’s been a while since I researched that, but I discovered the same info. Unfortunately, I think this BB was chosen for single speed duty, because the small ring hits the chainstay when mounted on the correct side of the crank. I installed a spacer for temporary duty, but the BB will need to be replaced.

JacobLee 

I used Evapo-Rust, and scraped over the bubbly spots with an old credit card to try to expose the bad stuff. It was pretty clear that the paint is toast, so I really just wanted to preserve metal. This is the first frame I’ve owned that clearly needs to be stripped and repainted.

noglider 

I like your frame bathtub made out of pipe. Very clever and efficient.

jdawginsc 

Me too. That is a great saver of evaporust.

JacobLee 

Thanks Tom! It was scrap leftover from a radon vent installation, otherwise it would have been prohibitively expensive. I also realized that the rear end doesn’t really fit into it, so it’s a little awkward to dip the stays without tipping everything over. Oh well, that’s the prototype process!

JacobLee 

It rides! Took a quick 2.5 mile ride to the nearest lbs to pick up a few more feet of brake housing so I could have a front brake. I took it easy, but was impressed with the one brake. Not bad, in my opinion! I ended up taking sandpaper to the Scott Mathauser pads and they seem to work well.



I also remembered that there is no good reason to ride those Campy pedals, imho, and that I might as well face the facts and install my Technomics stem before I wrap the bar. I was considering which bike to steal pedals from, but then hit an estate sale and picked up this pile for $4. The Wellgo pedals should work, and now I have a ‘Long’ Cycle Repair Outfit, so I’m ready for anything!

jdawginsc 

How the heck do you keep finding estate sales with great biking stuff...

I go to estate sales and all they have are cat picture plates, Christmas decor and Knick knacks...

JacobLee 

Location, location, location.

Seriously, I see a lot of cat plates, too, but every once in a while I hit a cache of cool bike stuff, usually in the west hills. Heck, the closest bike store is an authorized Eddy Merckx dealer that specializes in classic racing bike restorations. There aren’t many reasons to recommend Portland these days, but good sales are one.

JacobLee 

Well, I took a bit of the Italian racing heritage out of the Basso with my cheap-middle-aged-guy build, but I haven’t entered any Italian races lately, so nothing lost, I suppose.



If you follow the Where Did You Ride sticky, you might have noticed that my maiden voyage went poorly. I was zipping along, congratulating myself on a job well done, when I attempted, unsuccessfully, to shift into the big ring. Loose cable? Nope. Loose bottom bracket? Yep!

I had read about the counter-intuitive Italian bb loosening syndrome, but hadn’t applied any of the solutions. I had used a plastic spacer to compensate for the cartridge bb, and hadn’t tightened it enough, thinking it would be okay temporarily. It was not! I thought about the different way a loose cartridge bb would act on the threads, as opposed to a traditional cup and cone, and I figured I better not try to limp home, or I might destroy the shell.

I think I’ll try to find a better bb, but in the meantime I figured I’d go through all of the advice and cautions I’d read about in the Italian bb threads, ISO to JIS discussions, etc. The Campy bb is from my International, but it was a good reference comparing tapers.



First, I took a radius file to an aluminum spacer until it fit over the threads. Then I measured the bb shell to see where the plastic cup would need to be when tight. It measures 69 mm, so the plastic thingy needs to be buried in the shell.



I had seen a torque spec of around 70 Nm for the ds cup to stay tight. I found it easier to torque this on the ground instead of in the stand. I got it to 70, then worked it up to around 80 without feeling like I was over-tightening.



Both the ISO and JIS tapers seem to have about a 10 mm deep area of contact. Both sides of the crank cinched up nicely and seem to be in a good spot. The drive side might be a little close, but chainline seems great. Here’s the crank tightened, then bolt removed to check where the spindle seated.



Seems okay. Here’s where everything sits:





I guess the question will be: Does it work? If not, at least I know what bb not to use!

Mr. 66

I think I would put a spacer on the BB drive side to push it clear. Not much a 1mm shim.

JacobLee 

So you’d push the drive side out another mm? Is that because the chainrings are too close to the chainstay? How about a wider spindle? This is a 70x110. Maybe I could find a 113 and do away with spacers?

Thanks for the input! I appreciate it!

JacobLee 

Well, since this thread has been littered with estate sale finds, many of which have ended up on the Basso, I figured I’d tack these on. The only bits here that might get near it are the gloves. Pretty sweet! No place to wipe my nose though!



Unfortunately, the Fuji mentioned on the cards was long gone. I guess the rivoli chain tool is nib, even if the box is all twisted. Pretty entertaining stuff.

jdawginsc 

Avocet shoes. Nice find.

Those toe clips look like they are for a size 4 women's shoe...

JacobLee 

Shoes are a mens 10, toe clips are tiny. Must have been a husband and wife doing the bike thing.

JacobLee 

I’ve been flailing around trying to fill the threaded dropout adjuster holes with something appropriate. I’ve been riding with the wheel all the way back in the dropouts, and thought the shifting was fine, but I figured I’d try to set it up as it should be. My LBS was enthusiastic about ordering my some hardware, but they came up with this:



Seemed like a good solution, but the springs are way too long, as are the screws. I quickly lost one of the knurled nuts, so it was off to the hardware store as I had initially planned. I found the shortest stainless springs I could (still too long) and some stainless 3mm acorn nuts. I cut about 10mm off the screws, and there it is.



Looks to me like the axle should scoot back a little, but I’ll need shorter springs for that. I suppose I could cut them.

I also splurged on a lightly used Sella Anatomica at the co-op to replace the old 80’s Specialized azz-wedge I had on there. It sort of resembles a medieval torture device, but it’s pretty comfy.

jdawginsc 

Champagne is a tough color to match since it is metallic. Did you try nail polish colors...?

JacobLee 

I had forgotten to try that! I used some metallic red pretty successfully on a Specialized Hardrock I fixed up for my daughter, but I completely spaced it on this frame. Maybe my Testors tan will be a nice undercoat. Maybe there will be a bottle or two of champagne nail polish in the Box ‘o Crap?

What happened to that thing, anyway?