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Poll to have a poll on the "Early Brifter Bikes-7,8, and 9 Speed" forum?

Old 06-06-21, 01:28 AM
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Originally Posted by thook
i don't see the point. what is the proposed reasoning for having it?
The poll? It gives us data to back up not siphoning off content from C+V lest we get bled dry and lose our rich collective wisdom.

We may be able to lobby for going back and leaving it alone as it should be, IMO.
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So, we've got 31 members voting "no" to a sub-forum, and 9 members voting "yes" to have a poll so they can vote "no" to having a sub-forum?
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Originally Posted by merziac
The poll? It gives us data to back up not siphoning off content from C+V lest we get bled dry and lose our rich collective wisdom.

We may be able to lobby for going back and leaving it alone as it should be, IMO.
no, sir....wudn't asking why about the poll. why about the subforum. what would is the reason for it?
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Originally Posted by thook
no, sir....wudn't asking why about the poll. why about the subforum. what would is the reason for it?
DOH! Should have known I guess.

The subforum "could" be used to drill down more specifically on 7,8 and 9 speed bikes originally equipped as such and not necessarily C+V and "retro roadies" aren't C+V after being modernized as such despite steel and lugs or fitting a timeline too new. It assumes that more and more modern bikes do not become C+V just by aging in after a certain number of years but the early years of index and brifter shifting were still using steel and lugged frames so the foundation was as it had been to a point. Slippery slope to be sure, road to H**L, etc.

All I know is that I'm sure C+V as we know it will suffer.

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Originally Posted by non-fixie
So, we've got 31 members voting "no" to a sub-forum, and 9 members voting "yes" to have a poll so they can vote "no" to having a sub-forum?
Uh no.

No for no subforum

Yes for a subforum
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Originally Posted by merziac
Uh no.

No for no subforum

Yes for a subforum
I'm sorry, my remark wasn't meant to be taken all that seriously.
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Any pics of the Pol?

Some of them are pretty hot.
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Off all the ways I can think of to subdivide C+V into subforums, starting with "brifters" seems like an odd choice to me.
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Originally Posted by merziac
Nope, we make em up as we go along, you want it here then it goes here, easy peasy just like always.

C+V rider, it goes here.

C+V frame or parts, it goes here.

C+V attitude, it goes here.

Period, IMO.
Yeah....until the mods move your thread without even asking....
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I would have voted NO but misunderstood the Question.... Don
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
So, we've got 31 members voting "no" to a sub-forum, and 9 members voting "yes" to have a poll so they can vote "no" to having a sub-forum?
You jest, but I did indeed vote “yes” because I thought it meant “yes have a poll” not “yes have a sub forum”.
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Originally Posted by clubman
I wanna change my vote. I was coerced while waiting in line...
I was bribed with mineral water.
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Originally Posted by non-fixie
I'm sorry, my remark wasn't meant to be taken all that seriously.
No worries, with something like this, I'm gonna err on the side of caution just in case.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
Too many people on this forum find what I did to the DS on that bike offensive. Better to just show the NDS and let them imagine what they can't see.

Plus, you can see the spindly Titanium skewers which I've since deemed not worth using.
That's the point of all this, we don't have to agree, especially if we are offended but can discuss it none the less and will likely see a different point of view or logic whether we like it or not.
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...I voted no because I thought we were voting about having a poll. I demand a recount, and I want it done by Cyber Ninjas.
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I voted Shish Kabob.



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Is this what a bar brawl looks like on BF?
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Originally Posted by cudak888
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Originally Posted by Bimmer69
Is this what a bar brawl looks like on BF?
...this is what happens, when the thin veneer of civilization that usually covers the darker aspects of C+V, gets peeled back a little bit. We get a brief glimpse of the evil that lurks in the hearts and minds of men. I've seen some stuff, man
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Originally Posted by jamesdak
Yeah....until the mods move your thread without even asking....
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Originally Posted by merziac
What, no veggies?
There's a Reynolds 531 carrot there, Bugs.

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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...this is what happens, when the thin veneer of civilization that usually covers the darker aspects of C+V, gets peeled back a little bit. We get a brief glimpse of the evil that lurks in the hearts and minds of men.
Which is just plain bizarre, we almost always work out whatever it is we initially disagree on and in doing so learn what we did not know that caused us to disagree in the first place, or some such version of it. Which is why this seems so rediculous since it is what makes the secret sauce so worthwhile here, again IMO.
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Originally Posted by merziac
Which is just plain bizarre, we almost always work out whatever it is we initially disagree on and in doing so learn what we did not know that caused us to disagree in the first place, or some such version of it. Which is why this seems so rediculous since it is what makes the secret sauce so worthwhile here, again IMO.
...have you ever been in a situation where some other Classic enthusiast, who rides the same size frame as you lives nearby ? There was this one guy who used to regularly stop by the co-op here, take advantage of the fact that I was busy managing, buy a donation that was interesting to me, and then parade it in front of me. I once had a 70's Colnago lined up from a friend we both knew, only to find he had swooped in and pressured the guy into selling it to him. This whole hobby has a very, very seamy side, that never gets mentioned.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...have you ever been in a situation where some other Classic enthusiast, who rides the same size frame as you lives nearby ? There was this one guy who used to regularly stop by the co-op here, take advantage of the fact that I was busy managing, buy a donation that was interesting to me, and then parade it in front of me. I once had a 70's Colnago lined up from a friend we both knew, only to find he had swooped in and pressured the guy into selling it to him. This whole hobby has a very, very seamy side, that never gets mentioned.
True enough but compared to cars, guns and plenty else, bikes are pretty tame in my experience. I have a lot of friends who buy and sell cars that has ruined relationships between brothers and lifelong best friends, etc.

The size thing is a PITA, we ride big frames and many here think they aren't worth as much but as your example points out they are very sought after. When I find one in my size that I want, I nail it down quick, overpay if I have to because I often never see another, I lose enough sleep as it is.

I also think in general the disagreements here are removed enough that most don't spill over to the outside/real world and many of them are not near or dear enough to hold much of a grudge over being one big step removed by the innerwebz.
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Originally Posted by merziac
Which is just plain bizarre, we almost always work out whatever it is we initially disagree on and in doing so learn what we did not know that caused us to disagree in the first place, or some such version of it. Which is why this seems so rediculous since it is what makes the secret sauce so worthwhile here, again IMO.
The ridiculous thing is that it seems as if the mods just went ahead and adopted Willwood's idea (unlike others so inclined, I do not fault him at all for making the suggestion itself) and just did so on the basis of one user's input - despite years of being nagged about other subforum ideas from C&V members.

It feels both undemocratic and a slap in the face to everyone who's had their ideas ignored over the years. Any such idea could have easily been vetted with a poll from the mods (and not a tongue-in-cheek, poorly worded joke poll like this one - sorry @merziac, nothing personal).

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