Fork Eyelet/Low Rider Pannier
02-07-23, 07:37 PM
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My 1998 Miyata City Liner is 150mm from dropout eyelet to mid fork eyelet. Odd size it seems, likely why an Axiom front rack would not install
02-08-23, 07:38 PM
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Hearing all of this, it's kind of amazing that a standard location for fork eyelets doesn't exist!
02-08-23, 08:20 PM
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Now rack making companies will want a simple fit standard and do that. (Who here remembers Blackburn's SS1,2 and 3 and how they left the market?) but the rack guys don't make the bike. Andy
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02-08-23, 09:46 PM
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If you're adding rack mounts as an aftermarket thing, you really need to have the rack in hand to know where to put the mounts.
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Then one might ask why put in these fittings at all, since not putting them to a standard makes them relatively useless? "Let's drill some holes in your bike, but we'll make sure nothing can use them." Sure rakes, etc, are different, but if everyone got together and tried, I bet a useful system could be worked out. The point is that no one has even tried.
For what head angle and fork rake? Many production bike do have a constant eye to lowrider mid blade mount dimension that worked for the geometry and rack the designers were thinking of. But a custom builder will want what works for the one bike they are building, given the geometry and rack they are working with. A lot of variables to balance. Frame building at it's better levels is not a plug and play endeavor.
Now rack making companies will want a simple fit standard and do that. (Who here remembers Blackburn's SS1,2 and 3 and how they left the market?) but the rack guys don't make the bike. Andy
Now rack making companies will want a simple fit standard and do that. (Who here remembers Blackburn's SS1,2 and 3 and how they left the market?) but the rack guys don't make the bike. Andy
02-09-23, 09:20 AM
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Good luck totally revising the industry's approach to standards. They can't even agree on thread pitch for through axles.
I always wondered what happened to Tom French. Bevil Hogg recently retired after starting Kestrel and a couple of medical equipment companies.
I always wondered what happened to Tom French. Bevil Hogg recently retired after starting Kestrel and a couple of medical equipment companies.
02-09-23, 09:56 AM
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Then one might ask why put in these fittings at all, since not putting them to a standard makes them relatively useless? "Let's drill some holes in your bike, but we'll make sure nothing can use them." Sure rakes, etc, are different, but if everyone got together and tried, I bet a useful system could be worked out. The point is that no one has even tried.
My pipe dream of standard mounting points involves autos. I wish there was a standard roof rack mounting point pattern every auto had. Think how much easier it would be to than buy and install your roof top bike rack
. I suspect most here will say how unlikely my dream is. Andy
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02-09-23, 11:02 AM
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When did Sutherland give up? The last one I can find reference to (granted I didn't look too hard) was published in 1994 and was 3" thick.
I imagine it would look like an old-style encyclopedia at this point since the industry just gave up for the most part.
I imagine it would look like an old-style encyclopedia at this point since the industry just gave up for the most part.
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I thought that Sutherlands did enter the on line era but by the early 2000s other sources of info seemed to become more common so I didn't need to look up stuff in the Manual too often any longer. Andy
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Sheldon probably killed them
02-10-23, 07:17 PM
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So, Being the OP on this one, I have learned way more than I wanted to know! And just after I said that, how about any standards for handlebar bag supports? Some use p clamps, some use canti mounts, etc. Again it would matter what rack, as a diagonal support from fork to rack determines how level the rack is. Uff da!
02-10-23, 08:26 PM
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Sorry, no bar bag info from me. All my bar bags end up behind my seat. Andy
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It's nowhere near standard, but there are a lot of bikes with a mid-fork mount at 140mm below the brake hole through the fork crown. Obviously, brake bosses are going to go wherever they go so the brakes can be mounted.
02-26-23, 04:13 PM
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I have spent some time on this problem. The first conclusion I came to was that the mid-fork mount isn't really weight-bearing. It keeps the rack from tipping forward or back, that's about it. My bike doesn't have these holes, but it has a steel fork and I bought threaded inserts to install instead of using the (Axiom) u-clamps, but then decided to look around some more.
At that point I found Pelago racks. They come in steel. They mount on the dropout eyelet and the fork crown. You can get a small, medium, or large (pizza) platform for the top, which I really like! (Got the medium). Their low-rider rig is in the form of replacement legs for the normal, non-bag mounting platform rack, and they use the same fork-end holes, no mid fork mount at all. Not everyone has the low-rider accessory legs--you have to look around.
So what you get is a nicely-designed steel rack, securely mounted, with your choice of platform sizes, and a low-rider below that. All for a pretty reasonable price. And you don't have to drill any holes in your steed.
At that point I found Pelago racks. They come in steel. They mount on the dropout eyelet and the fork crown. You can get a small, medium, or large (pizza) platform for the top, which I really like! (Got the medium). Their low-rider rig is in the form of replacement legs for the normal, non-bag mounting platform rack, and they use the same fork-end holes, no mid fork mount at all. Not everyone has the low-rider accessory legs--you have to look around.
So what you get is a nicely-designed steel rack, securely mounted, with your choice of platform sizes, and a low-rider below that. All for a pretty reasonable price. And you don't have to drill any holes in your steed.
02-26-23, 05:26 PM
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I'm just using the top platform at this point. For that it's been incredibly stable. For instance the mount to the fork-top brake hole isn't a thin piece of sheet steel but a fabricated piece of real steel that's stiff. I like that the weight rests on the fork end. Most of the lowriders I've seen don't use the fork middle mounts for anything but stabilization, not weight, and don't do that job well at all, but this one skips that problem entirely.
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