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How to Make Car-centric Southern California Safer for Bicyclists

Old 05-09-23, 10:26 AM
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How to Make Car-centric Southern California Safer for Bicyclists

If you live in Los Angeles County and surrounding areas, here is some information about accidents.

Link to ABC7 news article - How to make car-centric Southern California safer for bicyclists

Link to map of High Injury Nework roadmap.

Link to map of collisions in region

Link to map of fatalities with details of time/place

"SCAG’s Regional HIN shows that 65 percent of all fatal and serious injuries occurred on just 5.5 percent of the regional transportation network. The HIN is primarily located in equity areas, with about 81 percent of the roadway miles in SB 535 Disadvantaged Communities, Environmental Justice Areas, or Communities of Concern."

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Old 05-09-23, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Bad Lag
If you live in Los Angeles County and surrounding areas, here is some information about accidents.

Link to ABC7 news article - How to make car-centric Southern California safer for bicyclists

Link to map of High Injury Nework roadmap.

Link to map of collisions in region

Link to map of fatalities with details of time/place

"SCAG’s Regional HIN shows that 65 percent of all fatal and serious injuries occurred on just 5.5 percent of the regional transportation network. The HIN is primarily located in equity areas, with about 81 percent of the roadway miles in SB 535 Disadvantaged Communities, Environmental Justice Areas, or Communities of Concern."
Bottom line from the "planners":
Solutions: more money, more planning
Applying the race card, whether applicable or not is always good to draw attention, if not money. This post should be moved to this thread:

https://www.bikeforums.net/advocacy-...high-whit.html

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That thread is locked, and for good reason. The o.p. wasn't the reason. And it wouldn't be the reason here either. Tell you what though, if anymore turn out like that one, I'm cancelling my subscription.
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What's the solution? Based on the title of the thread, I was expecting the OP to include a solution, but I just see a list of articles and a claim that most of the problem is in certain areas. What is the solution?
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
What's the solution? Based on the title of the thread, I was expecting the OP to include a solution, but I just see a list of articles and a claim that most of the problem is in certain areas. What is the solution?
My intent was to inform cyclists of an article on my local ABC7 news site pertaining to cycling and cycling safety (link #1).

I provided links to some of the sites referenced in the article for the convenience of the reader, so they were not easily overlooked.

Read it, take what you can or will from it.

My daily rides are on these maps, so I paid close attention to the details.


P.S. - I am pleased to see this thread was not locked. The links provide information ("Just the facts, Mam.") about cycling safety in the Los Angeles basin and southern California, in general.

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So the "How to" part was just totally misleading.
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
So the "How to" part was just totally misleading.
You'll have to take that up that issue with ABC7. Do you want me to provide their number to you, or can you handle that, yourself?

Just for reference, there is discussion of safety options available to city planners. So, there is that.

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Old 05-11-23, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
What's the solution? Based on the title of the thread, I was expecting the OP to include a solution, but I just see a list of articles and a claim that most of the problem is in certain areas. What is the solution?
The solution was in the cited article and it is what could be expected: "Solution: More money and planning." And of course more money for planners and the organizations that employ them.
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So the proposed how-to is more government spending? How novel. Has anyone noticed the government is worse than broke? It's at least $100 Trillion in debt and has monetized its debt so that an original $1 Federal Reserve Note is now worth $0.03. So the solution is to take it from 3 cents to zero? And that will make us safer? No, it will make us go to war and the government will send the poor people first. Why is it the government's role to make anyone safer? Maybe safer from violent criminals, but bicycle safety? The government's unique feature is its monopoly on the use of physical force. It should use that feature to put violent criminals in prison and not to make people pay for useless bicycle safety planning. Is this justified because it's supposed to serve poor people and thereby redistribute the wealth in a socialist scheme? Do you think those poor people want protected bike lanes so they can stay poor? Or a car? Suppose they were riding their bike to work (hardly a safe assumption). Which would they elect to spend their paychecks on? Useless government boondoggles only serve as a war on the poor to keep them dependent on even more government spending.
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Originally Posted by Bad Lag
P.S. - I am pleased to see this thread was not locked.
The other thread did not get locked until well past 40 or so posts. Why do you think yours would have been locked so early on? But look where it's headed ...
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The Government may be broke, but it doesn't have to be. Enough said. Bike lanes, separated bike lanes, enough to be useful for practical bicycle transportation, is not possible on this Earth. Too late. We'd have to nuke the whole works and start all over with a different design. So ... "what's the solution?". You're not going to like this but the solution is looking more and more like a total non-essential vehicle ban in city centers. Congestion pricing, maybe, but there would inevitably be exceptions carved out for this that and the other thing, and you would get right back to, or nearly back to status quo in a short time.
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Originally Posted by greatbasin
So the proposed how-to is more government spending? How novel. Has anyone noticed the government is worse than broke? It's at least $100 Trillion in debt and has monetized its debt so that an original $1 Federal Reserve Note is now worth $0.03. So the solution is to take it from 3 cents to zero? And that will make us safer? No, it will make us go to war and the government will send the poor people first. Why is it the government's role to make anyone safer? Maybe safer from violent criminals, but bicycle safety? The government's unique feature is its monopoly on the use of physical force. It should use that feature to put violent criminals in prison and not to make people pay for useless bicycle safety planning. Is this justified because it's supposed to serve poor people and thereby redistribute the wealth in a socialist scheme? Do you think those poor people want protected bike lanes so they can stay poor? Or a car? Suppose they were riding their bike to work (hardly a safe assumption). Which would they elect to spend their paychecks on? Useless government boondoggles only serve as a war on the poor to keep them dependent on even more government spending.

Do you have this insane apocalyptic freak out every time there's road construction? There's a hell whole lot more of spending going into that.
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
The Government may be broke, but it doesn't have to be. Enough said. Bike lanes, separated bike lanes, enough to be useful for practical bicycle transportation, is not possible on this Earth. Too late. We'd have to nuke the whole works and start all over with a different design. So ... "what's the solution?". You're not going to like this but the solution is looking more and more like a total non-essential vehicle ban in city centers. Congestion pricing, maybe, but there would inevitably be exceptions carved out for this that and the other thing, and you would get right back to, or nearly back to status quo in a short time.

So you're going to ban cars from cities that were primarily designed to fascilitate travel by car, and you don't think that's going to require us to "nuke the whole works and start with a different design"? Makes absolutely no sense that putting in marginal improvements won't require less, not more, redesign and construction.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike

Applying the race card, whether applicable or not is always good to draw attention, if not money.
You have to really stretch to make this about race. I can only speculate as to why you wish to do that.
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You have to really stretch to make this about race. I can only speculate as to why you wish to do that.
Maybe if you read the cited reference you wouldn't have to speculate. Perhaps you can then speculate what the multiple references to "underserved", disadvantaged" and "vulnerable" communities" means; maybe even speculate about what the intent is with the reference to communities with "higher share of of people of color."
And more than 80% of these roads, called "High Injury Networks," are in underserved communities designated by the state or SCAG that have a higher share of people of color, low-income residents or areas that are vulnerable to multiple sources of pollution.

"Something that we've known for years at BikeLA is just the disproportionate impact on more vulnerable communities," said Eli Akira Kaufman, executive director of BikeLA.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Maybe if you read the cited reference you wouldn't have to speculate. Perhaps you can then speculate what the multiple references to "underserved", disadvantaged" and "vulnerable" communities" means ....
You are abundantly clear in your meaning.

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......maybe even speculate about what the intent is with the reference to communities with "higher share of of people of color."
I did read all the links. Had to search a bit to find it but I did indeed see that single reference to people of color. And I do understand the even a single such reference trouble you a great deal. Again, your position is clear.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Maybe if you read the cited reference you wouldn't have to speculate. Perhaps you can then speculate what the multiple references to "underserved", disadvantaged" and "vulnerable" communities" means; maybe even speculate about what the intent is with the reference to communities with "higher share of of people of color."

While ignoring low income and communities with lots of pollution? Why are you afraid of data about the actual distribution of resources?
If you're done with your attempted thread hijack by race-baiting dog whistle, I'd love it if someone from the area could give us their perspectives on the maps, etc.
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