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Old 01-20-23, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tds101
Because people wanted the Swift resurrected, that's why. The ride quality is the most like a full size bike of any folder I've ever been on. With 20" wheels of course. There's Swift fans all over the world.
Yes, of course, cuz one stuck in LI world have ridden the range of bikes and wuld know the situation "all over the world". In any case, it was an opportunity lost, imo as one who has a better sense of what's available worldwide.
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Originally Posted by Ron Damon
Yes, of course, cuz one stuck in LI world have ridden the range of bikes and wuld know the situation "all over the world". In any case, it was an opportunity lost, imo as one who has a better sense of what's available worldwide.
Did you own a Swift? I did. Did I ride what I personally consider enough folders to form "my" personal opinion? I did. And I didn't need to be obnoxious, and attempt to attack someone personally for stating their opinion. Now I know why you're the "most likely to be on the blocklist" here in the folding bikes section of the forum. Have a wonderful day, afternoon, evening in your part of the world.
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Ron, nobody asked Pinigis to bring back the FSIR spin frames? I thought it is still being sold in Asia? He would have to ask to be a US distributor. The spin 3.0 (16" wheel) and 5.0 (20" wheel) bike frames are good.

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Originally Posted by Ron Damon
I wonder why you didn't go for the FSIR (Litepro Leo) design instead. Similar double-clamp 33.9mm seat-post design, but with a quicker, if not smaller fold. The FSIR's have been out for several years now and the design has stood the test of time.
Actually, the Swift folds faster, has a far wider gear range and a much higher top speed.
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Originally Posted by Pinigis
I just looked at the old Swift spec and it shows the seat post at 34mm, our new version is the more-standard 33.9mm. Not much of a difference.
ok, I tried our new 33.9mm seat post in an original Swift frame and it fits. I think 34mm may have been a round off.
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This is another folder that needs an ebike upgrade when released
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Originally Posted by tds101
This is another folder that needs an ebike upgrade when released

We can add a Bafang mid-drive pretty easily. But, the biggest chainring you can get with one is 52t, so you will bring the top end down to where other folders perform.
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Originally Posted by Pinigis
We can add a Bafang mid-drive pretty easily. But, the biggest chainring you can get with one is 52t, so you will bring the top end down to where other folders perform.
If the chainring size is limited to 52t, the solution is to then use a smallest cog smaller than 11t, 10t or 9t with an XD or XDR freewheel (of course, its not optimal as this smaller cog will wear faster, but its not such a big problem if it isn't used to often).
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Originally Posted by Jipe
If the chainring size is limited to 52t, the solution is to then use a smallest cog smaller than 11t, 10t or 9t with an XD or XDR freewheel (of course, its not optimal as this smaller cog will wear faster, but its not such a big problem if it isn't used to often).
Agreed. But, the gear set that we chose is 11 to 42.
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It's gonna be a lot lighter with a dirt jumper drivetrain

I prefer a full length protected cable run but it's hardly determinant
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A few questions for Paul,
1. How wide a tire will come with the bike?
2. How wide a tire could be used on the front and rear, in your estimation?
3. How wide is that rear rack? (was looking a small panniers that need less than 5 inches)
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Would the folding stem from the Origami Bull be easily installed on the Swift?
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Originally Posted by gleearch
Would the folding stem from the Origami Bull be easily installed on the Swift?
No, the Bull uses a threadless headset and the Swift is threaded. We could use one from the Cobra; the angle would be good but it would be rather tall.
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Originally Posted by Pinigis
No, the Bull uses a threadless headset and the Swift is threaded. We could use one from the Cobra; the angle would be good but it would be rather tall.
I always wished my Xootr had a folding stem. Just having it detached was a hassle.
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Originally Posted by iamdougsbike
I always wished my Xootr had a folding stem. Just having it detached was a hassle.
We can make that happen.
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Originally Posted by Pinigis
We can make that happen.
But can you keep it just as rigid?
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Originally Posted by Schwinnsta
But can you keep it just as rigid?
sure. We would just cut off the top of the steerer tube and use a curved (non-height-adjustable) folding stem.
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Early article on the Swift. How ironic is the title? (New York Magazine July 28, 1997)

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Originally Posted by BikeLite
Early article on the Swift. How ironic is the title? (New York Magazine July 28, 1997)

That is great article. It's funny that the Swift cost $695 in 1997 and we have it on preorder now in 2023 for $699. Yes, that price is only temporary, but the similarity is interesting.
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The new Swift looks great! As the owner of a Xootr Swift, I would like to know if your rack is adaptable to the Xootr model and if so, are you considering making them available for purchase? Thanks.
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The new Swift looks great! As the owner of a Xootr Swift, I would like to know if your rack is adaptable to the Xootr model and if so, are you considering making them available for purchase? Thanks.
I will have to see if it fits.
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I wonder if anyone has actually taken one into Carnegie Hall ?

Glad the Swift is alive in some new iteration. Peter Reich's (& the West Coast partner's, I forget his name ) design is nearly perfect & doesn't overly rely on propitiatory parts, so components can be switched out to ones liking : customize and improve ! Can ya get 451 wheels onto the new design?
I love the green and the front chainring. Fun stuff.


Have ridden my folding bike in London, Seoul, Munich, Paris, Basel, Zurich, Brooklyn and Brussels ...so I am not claiming to be a " global authority " ...
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Originally Posted by kraftwerk
I wonder if anyone has actually taken one into Carnegie Hall ?

Glad the Swift is alive in some new iteration. Peter Reich's (& the West Coast partner's, I forget his name ) design is nearly perfect & doesn't overly rely on propitiatory parts, so components can be switched out to ones liking : customize and improve ! Can ya get 451 wheels onto the new design?
I love the green and the front chainring. Fun stuff.

Have ridden my folding bike in London, Seoul, Munich, Paris, Basel, Zurich, Brooklyn and Brussels ...so I am not claiming to be a " global authority " ...
Yes, 451 wheels will fit in the Origami Swift.
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Originally Posted by veloceleste
The new Swift looks great! As the owner of a Xootr Swift, I would like to know if your rack is adaptable to the Xootr model and if so, are you considering making them available for purchase? Thanks.
Yes, our new rack will fit on the old Xooter Swift.
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Maybe this is a mad one, but I'll throw it out there.

I had a funny thought today while I was sitting on a bench soaking up sunshine ('tis a cool day even though it's sunny and I've ridden out to Motril near the coast this morning). I sat myself down examining the silver paint job on Xootie under the sunshine and thinking that in three years or so and many kilometres of riding, this frame is beginning to look kinda lackluster. Lots of little scratches and dings and whatnots. Maybe time to consider powdercoating it. Then my eye caught something that even when I first had a Swift has always struck me as a bit ugly and unaesthetic, and that's the little black label indelibly clear coated on the seat tube telling me to "ride safely, read the manual, avoid slippery conditions and use proper lighting at night Xootr L.L.C. etc". This detail always seemed unnecessary and not exactly pleasing to the eye.
...and then I thought of the image on the little Moroccan change purse I transport my bud in when I'm out riding. It's maybe too pink for many people's taste, but it is emblazoned with an ancient protective symbol you might be familiar with, commonly called "the hand of Fatima".

So, that got me thinking... Maybe to honour what came before, affix a beautifull hand of Fatima design in exactly the same spot on the seat tube where the ugly old safety logo went with the simple words "Go Safely" written beneath.

Maybe this is a silly idea? Perhaps it's too mysticsl? Anyway I realise that it's maybe probably too late; likely the frames are already painted and decaled, ready to ship. But then again I thought it couldn't hurt to throw it out there just in case it isn't too late and this idea appeals to Paul. I do think it would be quite aesthetic, would get the safety message acroslls much more eloquently and would be like invoking mystical protection for all who ride the bike.

If it's not a goer for the Origami Swift, I'll probably add it to my own Xootr if I ever do get around to a new powdercoat. But I think it would look rad and lovely on the new bikes.
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