Vintage vs. Modern Video
Likes For plonz:
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 20,435
Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones
Mentioned: 178 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5888 Post(s)
Liked 3,471 Times
in
2,079 Posts
I watched this. I don't disagree with the assessment that a lot of the technology has changed for the better but I still like downtube shifters.
#3
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North, Ga.
Posts: 2,401
Bikes: 3Rensho-Aerodynamics, Bernard Hinault Look - 1986 tour winner, Guerciotti, Various Klein's & Panasonic's
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Liked 375 Times
in
162 Posts
They had to build a new old Merckx because all the old bikes they test keep breaking??
I wonder where they get their old bikes from? I may not be putting out 500 watts for hours at a time but my old bikes hold up just fine.
Something is a bit off here.
I wonder where they get their old bikes from? I may not be putting out 500 watts for hours at a time but my old bikes hold up just fine.
Something is a bit off here.
Likes For embankmentlb:
#4
Full Member
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 469
Bikes: Two Peter Mooney customs, a 1980 Trek 510 townie, a Marin Stelvio set up for TTs.
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 228 Post(s)
Liked 293 Times
in
161 Posts
Agree. I'm using a 43yo Trek for a commuter, and I'm not kind to it. It soldiers on just fine. Unless someone's using parts established in a failure mode (e.g. cranks/stems/BBs with a fracture or rims with spoke hole cracking), I can't really see a vintage bike breaking much provided good maintenance and an absence of serious crashes. While perhaps a bit more recent, there are plenty of videos about Lemond era pro bikes that have been ridden hard, but survive just fine.
Last edited by MooneyBloke; 03-22-23 at 10:52 AM.
Likes For MooneyBloke:
Likes For shoota:
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 5,371
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2482 Post(s)
Liked 2,952 Times
in
1,677 Posts
Likes For Trakhak:
#7
Senior Member
I did not need to watch the video. I already knew what he was going to say. He provided no new information, no new insights. The video is mostly "glam shots" of the two bikes rolling along.
Tires are important. Check!
He is not accustomed to down tube shifters. Check!
More gear ratios are better than fewer when climbing. Check.
He likes the brifter/disk brake bikes he is accustomed to. Check!
Oh well, if the roads dry off a bit, I think I will go for a ride on my 50 year old, steel-framed bike equipped with 2X5 gearing and Campagnolo Nuovo Record components.
I love riding this bike.
Tires are important. Check!
He is not accustomed to down tube shifters. Check!
More gear ratios are better than fewer when climbing. Check.
He likes the brifter/disk brake bikes he is accustomed to. Check!
Oh well, if the roads dry off a bit, I think I will go for a ride on my 50 year old, steel-framed bike equipped with 2X5 gearing and Campagnolo Nuovo Record components.
I love riding this bike.
Likes For Bad Lag:
#8
aka: Dr. Cannondale
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 7,730
Mentioned: 234 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2152 Post(s)
Liked 3,402 Times
in
1,203 Posts
Got the impression that this was a way to showcase/write off the custom build he had done. Certainly no need to ‘build a new bike’ in order to produce this bit of fluff.
I like GCN for the race coverage and expert conversation shows, but these silly bits leave me cold.
I like GCN for the race coverage and expert conversation shows, but these silly bits leave me cold.
__________________
Hard at work in the Secret Underground Laboratory...
Hard at work in the Secret Underground Laboratory...
Likes For rccardr:
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Hotel CA / DFW
Posts: 1,732
Bikes: 83 Colnago Super, 87 50th Daccordi, 79 & 87 Guerciotti's, 90s DB/GT Mtn Bikes, 90s Colnago Master and Titanio, 96 Serotta Colorado TG, 95/05 Colnago C40/C50, 06 DbyLS TI, 08 Lemond Filmore FG SS, 12 Cervelo R3, 20/15 Surly Stragler & Steamroller
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 601 Post(s)
Liked 779 Times
in
497 Posts
Very likely and Simon is not even a masher and was able to produce as much power with the classic steel setup and beat the time of the new ALU with bigger gears. Im pretty sure which bike most of us would choose and not even a choice for me
#10
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,744
Bikes: Yes
Mentioned: 525 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3230 Post(s)
Liked 3,868 Times
in
1,439 Posts
I'm surprised they didn't do a downhill test so they could talk about how much better disc brakes are. They've done some other videos where they "proved" that, but I'd be curious how cheap mechanical disc brakes compare to vintage brakes. I've been fairly unimpressed with most of the mechanical disc brakes I've tried.
__________________
My Bikes
My Bikes
Likes For Andy_K:
#11
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,035
Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2
Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4510 Post(s)
Liked 6,377 Times
in
3,667 Posts
These seem to be nothing more than to continue to push the latest low skill or otherwise tech so the C+V stuff if further disparaged and not cool enough for the masses anymore.
Cartridge, threadless, plug and play, disposable, throwaway, profit at all costs mentality continuing to steamroll anything that gets in its way.
Cartridge, threadless, plug and play, disposable, throwaway, profit at all costs mentality continuing to steamroll anything that gets in its way.
#12
ambulatory senior
Join Date: Dec 2016
Location: Peoria Il
Posts: 5,998
Bikes: Austro Daimler modified by Gugie! Raleigh Professional and lots of other bikes.
Mentioned: 76 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1955 Post(s)
Liked 3,661 Times
in
1,679 Posts
I also don't know why at least a 26 tooth freewheel couldn't have been used. I mean really 41 tooth chain ring as well.
Were it my bike it would probably be sporting half step and granny but then he would have really had a hard time shifting.
Were it my bike it would probably be sporting half step and granny but then he would have really had a hard time shifting.
Likes For 52telecaster:
#13
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North, Ga.
Posts: 2,401
Bikes: 3Rensho-Aerodynamics, Bernard Hinault Look - 1986 tour winner, Guerciotti, Various Klein's & Panasonic's
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Liked 375 Times
in
162 Posts
This and similar video magazines are in biz to make money. Not much point in promoting second hand or antique parts. The only reason we see any vintage content at all is for the drama content. Maybe to show bit of cycling history.
Bottom line is that they cater to what is in the marketplace currently. The end.
Bottom line is that they cater to what is in the marketplace currently. The end.
Likes For embankmentlb:
#14
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: PDX
Posts: 13,035
Bikes: Merz x 5 + Specialized Merz Allez x 2, Strawberry/Newlands/DiNucci/Ti x3, Gordon, Fuso/Moulton x2, Bornstein, Paisley,1958-74 Paramounts x3, 3rensho, 74 Moto TC, 73-78 Raleigh Pro's x5, Marinoni x2, 1960 Cinelli SC, 1980 Bianchi SC, PX-10 X 2
Mentioned: 267 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4510 Post(s)
Liked 6,377 Times
in
3,667 Posts
You mean you can't just blindly set it, forget it and have it work flawlessly from now on?
Likes For merziac:
#15
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 17,958
Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10424 Post(s)
Liked 11,886 Times
in
6,090 Posts
What you're proposing would be a different comparison.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."
"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."
"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
#16
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 17,958
Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace
Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10424 Post(s)
Liked 11,886 Times
in
6,090 Posts
A couple times they've taken "museum" bikes out and had problems, most of which have to do with things like old tires and such.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."
"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."
"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
#17
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,155
Mentioned: 481 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3809 Post(s)
Liked 6,684 Times
in
2,609 Posts
Uh, I watched the video: the custom-built steel framed bike outperformed the alu modern one. Isn’t that a good outcome for the C&V inclined?
Likes For nlerner:
#18
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: south kansas america
Posts: 1,910
Bikes: too many
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 411 Post(s)
Liked 234 Times
in
140 Posts
Where was the comparison of parking your bikes outside the local coffee shop or pub, near your outside table, and seeing which bicycle gets you the most, "hey... nice bike" comments? You say that's just a measure of vanity? Well, isn't having a new super bicycle, one that's way over-blinged for your actual racing accomplishments, just a measure of vanity too? Really, just ride whatever makes you the happiest, the bike that inspires you to ride more.. because it should be about the fun, and not the performance.
#19
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,659
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1248 Post(s)
Liked 1,323 Times
in
674 Posts
This and similar video magazines are in biz to make money. Not much point in promoting second hand or antique parts. The only reason we see any vintage content at all is for the drama content. Maybe to show bit of cycling history.
Bottom line is that they cater to what is in the marketplace currently. The end.
Bottom line is that they cater to what is in the marketplace currently. The end.
#20
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Tallahassee, FL
Posts: 4,811
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1591 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1,018 Times
in
571 Posts
Modern cars are vastly superior because they last much longer. It never ceases to amaze me, The durability of cars built in the 70s was terrible. That's not an issue for bikes from the 70s.
Likes For jon c.:
#21
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,744
Bikes: Yes
Mentioned: 525 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3230 Post(s)
Liked 3,868 Times
in
1,439 Posts
It did, and then Si's expert opinion based on this test was that the cheap new bike is better for most people. This isn't really a surprise. People shouldn't take GCN's fluff pieces too seriously.
__________________
My Bikes
My Bikes
Likes For Andy_K:
#22
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,155
Mentioned: 481 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3809 Post(s)
Liked 6,684 Times
in
2,609 Posts
Well, considering the Merckx replica was a custom, hand-made steel frame, he’s probably right.
#23
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Beaverton, OR
Posts: 14,744
Bikes: Yes
Mentioned: 525 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3230 Post(s)
Liked 3,868 Times
in
1,439 Posts
Perhaps he should have said, "In conclusion, this whole test was pointless."
__________________
My Bikes
My Bikes
Likes For Andy_K:
#24
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2008
Location: North, Ga.
Posts: 2,401
Bikes: 3Rensho-Aerodynamics, Bernard Hinault Look - 1986 tour winner, Guerciotti, Various Klein's & Panasonic's
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 159 Post(s)
Liked 375 Times
in
162 Posts
Or in other words 99% of active sport cyclists even those who owned those so called vintage bikes when they were new, if still cycling ride modern bikes. Some may still own a collectors piece and put in the odd mile but if a serious ride is done it’s done on a modern bike. It’s not some conspiracy just like a modern car is vastly superior to one built in the 70’s.
A proud 1%er here!
#25
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Back in Lincoln Sq, Chicago...🙄
Posts: 1,609
Bikes: '84 Miyata 610 ‘91 Cannondale ST600,'83 Trek 720 ‘84 Trek 520, 620, ‘91 Miyata 1000LT, '79 Trek 514, '78 Trek 706, '73 Raleigh Int. frame.
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 685 Post(s)
Liked 370 Times
in
219 Posts
I haven’t watched this video, but I did see the one where they took a vintage racer out of museum and had to throw a new rear wheel on the back. (Or maybe this is that video?)
But they complained about the brakes without replacing the 50 year old pads, and complained about the shifting without practicing on the down tubes at all, and complained about the toeclips, also without bothering to familiarize themselves with their use. Same with the old rubber on the tires…
if your testers don’t have the ability to use the equipment, the test is just fluff. I’ve used brifters exactly once while test riding a tandem I was thinking about buying. I kept reaching for nonexistent down tube shifters. I don’t fault the brifters for my riding habits.
But they complained about the brakes without replacing the 50 year old pads, and complained about the shifting without practicing on the down tubes at all, and complained about the toeclips, also without bothering to familiarize themselves with their use. Same with the old rubber on the tires…
if your testers don’t have the ability to use the equipment, the test is just fluff. I’ve used brifters exactly once while test riding a tandem I was thinking about buying. I kept reaching for nonexistent down tube shifters. I don’t fault the brifters for my riding habits.
Likes For Chr0m0ly: