Notices
General Cycling Discussion Have a cycling related question or comment that doesn't fit in one of the other specialty forums? Drop on in and post in here! When possible, please select the forum above that most fits your post!

Bad Air Days

Old 09-22-23, 10:49 AM
  #1  
terrymorse 
climber has-been
Thread Starter
 
terrymorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 6,783

Bikes: Scott Addict R1, Felt Z1

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3157 Post(s)
Liked 3,230 Times in 1,637 Posts
Bad Air Days

Three days in a row stuck indoors is getting really old.



There's not even anywhere within driving distance with decent air, so a drive-to ride is out.

The windows are closed, the makeshift air filters are running full blast, it still smells like smoke.

How harmful could it be to ride when the air is this bad? Asking for a friend.
__________________
Ride, Rest, Repeat

Zwift: Terry Morse [OldAF]
ROUVY: terrymorse





terrymorse is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 10:55 AM
  #2  
Bald Paul
Senior Member
 
Bald Paul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 1,667
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 799 Post(s)
Liked 1,595 Times in 756 Posts
Originally Posted by terrymorse
Three days in a row stuck indoors is getting really old.

There's not even anywhere within driving distance with decent air, so a drive-to ride is out.

The windows are closed, the makeshift air filters are running full blast, it still smells like smoke.

How harmful could it be to ride when the air is this bad? Asking for a friend.
It can be really bad. You're sucking in huge amounts of gawd-knows-what out there.
Bald Paul is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 11:01 AM
  #3  
terrymorse 
climber has-been
Thread Starter
 
terrymorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 6,783

Bikes: Scott Addict R1, Felt Z1

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3157 Post(s)
Liked 3,230 Times in 1,637 Posts
Originally Posted by Bald Paul
It can be really bad. You're sucking in huge amounts of gawd-knows-what out there.
I'll tell my "friend", but he won't be happy with the news. He's getting stir crazy.
__________________
Ride, Rest, Repeat

Zwift: Terry Morse [OldAF]
ROUVY: terrymorse





terrymorse is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 11:07 AM
  #4  
AndreyT
Full Member
 
AndreyT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: CA
Posts: 495
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 244 Post(s)
Liked 55 Times in 30 Posts
Maybe bicycle riding implies less of that "princess on a pea" syndrome. I remember real bad air quality in Bay Area a year or two ago, when the coast was burning. Not that it prevented me or other people from riding, but I'd understand if individuals with certain medical conditions opted to stay indoors. What the buzz is about this season is not clear. The air is fine.

If at noon it doesn't look like Mars outside, it is safe.
AndreyT is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 11:12 AM
  #5  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 17,162

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9944 Post(s)
Liked 11,199 Times in 5,733 Posts
Originally Posted by Bald Paul
It can be really bad. You're sucking in huge amounts of gawd-knows-what out there.
Apparently what we're sucking in is bits of Oregon.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 09-22-23, 11:23 AM
  #6  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 17,162

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9944 Post(s)
Liked 11,199 Times in 5,733 Posts
I took this week off from work, because I was at maximum vacation accrual. I figured I'd stay home, get some stuff done around the house, go for some mid-day rides, where I wouldn't be fighting the wind I'm always fighting on my post-work rides. Tuesday, I decided to do the OTHER thing you can do on days off - a nap. I thought I'd go for a ride after.

Then this happened....




The next day, it cleared out in the early afternoon, so I did some of the yard work I'd been putting off. I figured I'd ride after.

Then this happened.



So, I've been riding ITG instead of IRL. But at least it's supposed to clear out by Sunday. 4 hours on Zwift is not my idea of a perfect day.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 09-22-23, 11:24 AM
  #7  
3alarmer 
Friendship is Magic
 
3alarmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 22,780

Bikes: old ones

Mentioned: 304 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26071 Post(s)
Liked 9,985 Times in 6,935 Posts
.
...supposed to be an early atmospheric river storm series, coning into NorCal and maybe Oregon this Sunday or Monday.
This will help a lot with those fires that are the source of all this particulate matter down here. If it happens... which it probably will.
__________________
3alarmer is offline  
Likes For 3alarmer:
Old 09-22-23, 11:27 AM
  #8  
3alarmer 
Friendship is Magic
 
3alarmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 22,780

Bikes: old ones

Mentioned: 304 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26071 Post(s)
Liked 9,985 Times in 6,935 Posts
Originally Posted by AndreyT
What the buzz is about this season is not clear. The air is fine.

If at noon it doesn't look like Mars outside, it is safe.
....why read those stupid air quality monitor sites, when I have this as encouragement ?
__________________
3alarmer is offline  
Likes For 3alarmer:
Old 09-22-23, 11:30 AM
  #9  
terrymorse 
climber has-been
Thread Starter
 
terrymorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 6,783

Bikes: Scott Addict R1, Felt Z1

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3157 Post(s)
Liked 3,230 Times in 1,637 Posts
The Eastern Sierra looks amazingly nice right now. AQI in the 20s, temps in the 60s.

And the hotel rates are shoulder season low. About 6 hours by car. "Friend" likes this idea. Friend's wife -- not so much.


__________________
Ride, Rest, Repeat

Zwift: Terry Morse [OldAF]
ROUVY: terrymorse





terrymorse is offline  
Likes For terrymorse:
Old 09-22-23, 11:33 AM
  #10  
AndreyT
Full Member
 
AndreyT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: CA
Posts: 495
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 244 Post(s)
Liked 55 Times in 30 Posts
Originally Posted by 3alarmer
....why read those stupid air quality monitor sites, when I have this as encouragement ?
Exactly. Some people breathe air quality monitor sites, apparently. Those bizarre quirks of hive mind societies...
AndreyT is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 11:44 AM
  #11  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 17,162

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9944 Post(s)
Liked 11,199 Times in 5,733 Posts
Originally Posted by AndreyT
Exactly. Some people breathe air quality monitor sites, apparently. Those bizarre quirks of hive mind societies...
Ah. One of those.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 09-22-23, 11:44 AM
  #12  
3alarmer 
Friendship is Magic
 
3alarmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 22,780

Bikes: old ones

Mentioned: 304 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26071 Post(s)
Liked 9,985 Times in 6,935 Posts
Originally Posted by AndreyT
Exactly. Some people breathe air quality monitor sites, apparently. Those bizarre quirks of hive mind societies...
....the avatar makes a lot more sense, now.
__________________
3alarmer is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 11:53 AM
  #13  
Trakhak
Senior Member
 
Trakhak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Baltimore, MD
Posts: 5,157
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2318 Post(s)
Liked 2,745 Times in 1,565 Posts
Originally Posted by AndreyT
Exactly. Some people breathe air quality monitor sites, apparently. Those bizarre quirks of hive mind societies...
Hive mind is all there was before science.
Trakhak is offline  
Likes For Trakhak:
Old 09-22-23, 12:13 PM
  #14  
AndreyT
Full Member
 
AndreyT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: CA
Posts: 495
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 244 Post(s)
Liked 55 Times in 30 Posts
Originally Posted by Trakhak
Hive mind is all there was before science.
Come to think of it... kinda my point exactly.
AndreyT is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 12:16 PM
  #15  
terrymorse 
climber has-been
Thread Starter
 
terrymorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 6,783

Bikes: Scott Addict R1, Felt Z1

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3157 Post(s)
Liked 3,230 Times in 1,637 Posts
The "Spare the Air" alert has been extended to tomorrow (Saturday). That will be day 4 of unhealthy air.

The surface smoke forecast through 10 P.M. today (Friday 9/22):



Source: NOAA
__________________
Ride, Rest, Repeat

Zwift: Terry Morse [OldAF]
ROUVY: terrymorse





terrymorse is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 12:19 PM
  #16  
Iride01 
I'm good to go!
 
Iride01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 14,490

Bikes: Tarmac Disc Comp Di2 - 2020

Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5980 Post(s)
Liked 4,612 Times in 3,182 Posts
Do you know what the air quality actually is in your home?

While it might not be as bad as outside, it's probably not so much better that a few hours of riding outside will seriously cause you issues.
Iride01 is online now  
Old 09-22-23, 12:19 PM
  #17  
3alarmer 
Friendship is Magic
 
3alarmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 22,780

Bikes: old ones

Mentioned: 304 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26071 Post(s)
Liked 9,985 Times in 6,935 Posts
Originally Posted by AndreyT
Come to think of it... kinda my point exactly.
...breathing fine particulates at elevated levels is kind of a cumulative thing.
I guess maybe you haven't done enough of it yet. This might be a challenge for me, but an opportunity for you.
__________________
3alarmer is offline  
Likes For 3alarmer:
Old 09-22-23, 12:22 PM
  #18  
Polaris OBark
ignominious poltroon
 
Polaris OBark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 3,821
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2143 Post(s)
Liked 3,224 Times in 1,694 Posts
I just bought my own Purple Air monitor, to contribute to the hive.

Although I recognize data and objective measurements are now out of fashion, and science really is just another political opinion, I still do see some degree of merit in keeping 2.5 micron particles out of my lungs.

I'll sit this one out.
Polaris OBark is offline  
Likes For Polaris OBark:
Old 09-22-23, 12:22 PM
  #19  
3alarmer 
Friendship is Magic
 
3alarmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 22,780

Bikes: old ones

Mentioned: 304 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26071 Post(s)
Liked 9,985 Times in 6,935 Posts
Originally Posted by terrymorse
The "Spare the Air" alert has been extended to tomorrow (Saturday). That will be day 4 of unhealthy air.

The surface smoke forecast through 10 P.M. today (Friday 9/22):



Source: NOAA

...it dropped into the green here last night, about 7 PM. I have lost my enthusiasm for riding in the dark, but that's on me. I had a chance.
__________________
3alarmer is offline  
Likes For 3alarmer:
Old 09-22-23, 12:24 PM
  #20  
3alarmer 
Friendship is Magic
 
3alarmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 22,780

Bikes: old ones

Mentioned: 304 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26071 Post(s)
Liked 9,985 Times in 6,935 Posts
Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
I just bought my own Purple Air monitor, to contribute to the hive.

Although I recognize data and objective measurements are now out of fashion, and science really is just another political opinion, I still do see some degree of merit in keeping 2.5 micron particles out of my lungs.

I'll sit this one out.
... when I was breathing a lot of smoke, someone was paying me to do it.
__________________
3alarmer is offline  
Likes For 3alarmer:
Old 09-22-23, 12:27 PM
  #21  
AndreyT
Full Member
 
AndreyT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: CA
Posts: 495
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 244 Post(s)
Liked 55 Times in 30 Posts
Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...breathing fine particulates at elevated levels is kind of a cumulative thing.
I agree. In about six or seven hundred years of continuous inhalation it might accumulate enough contaminants to cause a fit of hard coughing. Or maybe two.

Originally Posted by 3alarmer
I guess maybe you haven't done enough of it yet
Depends on the objective against which that "enough" is measured... Enough to tell bad air from good air without an internet connection. Not enough to start seeing things in people's avatars on internet forums.
AndreyT is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 12:34 PM
  #22  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 17,162

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9944 Post(s)
Liked 11,199 Times in 5,733 Posts
Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...it dropped into the green here last night, about 7 PM. I have lost my enthusiasm for riding in the dark, but that's on me. I had a chance.
It's the time of the year when I construct an Excel file using sunset times to calculate when I need to stop work and go get changed for a post-work ride before dark. But then along comes the end of DST, and that's it till March.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is online now  
Old 09-22-23, 12:35 PM
  #23  
terrymorse 
climber has-been
Thread Starter
 
terrymorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Palo Alto, CA
Posts: 6,783

Bikes: Scott Addict R1, Felt Z1

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3157 Post(s)
Liked 3,230 Times in 1,637 Posts
Originally Posted by AndreyT
Enough to tell bad air from good air without an internet connection.
I submit it's not at all easy for humans to detect the difference between "good" AQI and "unhealthy" AQI. At this moment, the air doesn't look very different, and the smell of smoke is barely detectable. But the AQI is definitely "unhealthy".

Who could have guessed that humans are pretty bad at detecting the concentration of 2.5 micron particles in air?
__________________
Ride, Rest, Repeat

Zwift: Terry Morse [OldAF]
ROUVY: terrymorse





terrymorse is offline  
Likes For terrymorse:
Old 09-22-23, 12:40 PM
  #24  
3alarmer 
Friendship is Magic
 
3alarmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 22,780

Bikes: old ones

Mentioned: 304 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 26071 Post(s)
Liked 9,985 Times in 6,935 Posts
Originally Posted by AndreyT
I agree. In about six or seven hundred years of continuous inhalation it might accumulate enough contaminants to cause a fit of hard coughing. Or maybe two.
...we get too little hard science in this forum. Thank you.



Originally Posted by AndreyT
Depends on the objective against which that "enough" is measured... Enough to tell bad air from good air without an internet connection. Not enough to start seeing things in people's avatars on internet forums.

...what am I seeing here ?
__________________
3alarmer is offline  
Old 09-22-23, 12:47 PM
  #25  
tomato coupe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,722

Bikes: Colnago, Van Dessel, Factor, Cervelo, Ritchey

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3803 Post(s)
Liked 6,996 Times in 2,831 Posts
It's funny how some people revel in their ignorance of science.
tomato coupe is offline  
Likes For tomato coupe:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.