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Don't get me started on how much I hate compact doubles. I have a 50.4 VO crankset with 46-30 rings on the PX-10, and I like that a lot. I can kind of tolerate 46-34, but I feel like whenever I need the 34T ring, I really need a 28 or 30. With 50-34, I feel like I am always in the wrong gear.
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I'll need to consult with a financial planner. I don't think I can afford René Herse components until the stock market recovers, maybe not even then. It makes me think of this:
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I've seen some real budgeteers rocking Shimano 9-sp and 10-sp DT setups.
-7700/7800/7900 shifters (and a couple on Microshifts)
-polished cranksets from 7-sp to 10-sp.
RSX had polished compact square taper cranksets that used symmetrical BB's.
Specialized also had compact polished triple cranksets.
105 and Ultegra came in 9-sp triple and looked great
-polished calipers, same large range, from single pivot 105's to plenty of dual pivots if you actually want to stop well.
-polished long cage RD's, triple FD's in 5500 and 6500, especially, but also 7700 and 7800.
Keep your range narrow on the cassette, and you can use polished short cage RD's with a Roadlink.
Some members here have successfully used double FD's on triple setups.
-affordable and easily obtained brake levers, from "classic" to affordable Tektro's.
-7700/7800/7900 shifters (and a couple on Microshifts)
-polished cranksets from 7-sp to 10-sp.
RSX had polished compact square taper cranksets that used symmetrical BB's.
Specialized also had compact polished triple cranksets.
105 and Ultegra came in 9-sp triple and looked great
-polished calipers, same large range, from single pivot 105's to plenty of dual pivots if you actually want to stop well.
-polished long cage RD's, triple FD's in 5500 and 6500, especially, but also 7700 and 7800.
Keep your range narrow on the cassette, and you can use polished short cage RD's with a Roadlink.
Some members here have successfully used double FD's on triple setups.
-affordable and easily obtained brake levers, from "classic" to affordable Tektro's.
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Oh, another strike against 11sp - those four-arm cranks still look wrong on a classic beauty like that Masi. I'm enough used to them that I no longer want to throw a tantrum, but I still don't want them on my bikes.
I'm right there with you. I constantly feel like I have to double shift to get a gear that is almost but not quite what I want. I simply do not have that issue with a triple.
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I'll throw out another option. Add a Red Clover triplizer (from forum member Jon Vara) and a Soma long cage for the RD (may no longer be available from Soma but they pop up on ebay from time to time). That's what I did with my Colnago. Looks the vintage part but is still functional in the hills. Dual pivots are nice, but those Record brakes with Kool Stop pads work well enough for me,
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I'll throw out another option. Add a Red Clover triplizer (from forum member Jon Vara) and a Soma long cage for the RD (may no longer be available from Soma but they pop up on ebay from time to time). That's what I did with my Colnago. Looks the vintage part but is still functional in the hills. Dual pivots are nice, but those Record brakes with Kool Stop pads work well enough for me,
I even have a spare Red Clover triplizer and the Some long cage sitting on the shelf. The thing I decided I don't like about that is that it's an obvious compromise and leaves you with the worst of both options -- you get the limited functionality of vintage parts without getting the beauty. With this picture in particular I always felt like the rear derailleur secretly wanted to be a kickstand.
I've since rebuilt the De Rosa with the stealth triple I mentioned earlier.
It's 49-42-32 with a 14-26 freewheel, but you have to look pretty close to see that. My Gios is build like that too, except is has an SR rear derailleur so I can use a 14-28 freewheel. I do like this build a lot, but not enough to do it a third time, not least because I'm not getting any lighter or stronger and even a 32-26 only gets me up moderate climbs.
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IMO, do with it what you want with it, then make no apologies.
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@Andy_K A bike’s one desire is to be loved...which means ridden.
Centaur is a really nice silver group in 3/9 and 3/10 configurations (I like the 9 better, for what it’s worth), plus you get to have the very fine dual pivot skeletons! And not terribly outrageous getting parts.
Might be an Athena version as well...
Seem to remember there being a Dura Ace 7700 triple, but not sure. Can’t go wrong there. 7400 triple would be fun as well.
Centaur is a really nice silver group in 3/9 and 3/10 configurations (I like the 9 better, for what it’s worth), plus you get to have the very fine dual pivot skeletons! And not terribly outrageous getting parts.
Might be an Athena version as well...
Seem to remember there being a Dura Ace 7700 triple, but not sure. Can’t go wrong there. 7400 triple would be fun as well.
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I used the Sensah group on a gravel bike I built, I was curious. I'm not sure I'll do another 1x of any brand. These things must be great for the MTB crowd, I just don't see the need for it on my bikes. I don't think there is anything actually wrong with the Sensah group, it seems to function ok. For me. 2x or 3x will make me happier.
The CX crowd loves 1x, especially now that they've fixed the various chain drop issues. I'm with you on being happier with 2x or 3x. Everybody talks about how 1x is so much simpler. Meanwhile, the rear derailleur has more technology in it than the first moon lander. I guess it is simpler for the rider as long as it's working.
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Well, to be fair, it is well documented what the owner of the list wants to talk about and what not to talk about. It is mostly the same people there as is here. Here I can encourage you to get a crabon fork and braze-ons for disc brakes. I can even bring up Illinois nazis and I hate Illinois nazis. Can't do any of that on CR, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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As they say "It's only original once" and you had no say in that matter so go for it. Whatever is screwed or bolted together comes apart the same way if anyone ever wants to attempt to bring her back to her former glory. My '74 Masi is very close to yours and the only braze-ons are the down tube water bottle mounts.
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Andy, I just rode my Masi today and decided I really, really like it. It’s the kind of bike that should be ridden a lot, so do whatever it takes. If it makes you feel better mine is really hacked with a Sugino compact 50-34, ultra rare, Campagnolo branded Suntour triple pulley RD, Simplex shifters. Other than that, a completely faithful build. Well, also the modern Royce high flange front hub that looks like a Record HF.I just realized I haven’t taken proper pics of it but here are a couple in the files. I’m sure, in your collection, you have one or two classics with period correct builds, so that should be enough to keep the fire and brimstone bike gods happy.
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Well, I've done that too.
I even have a spare Red Clover triplizer and the Some long cage sitting on the shelf. The thing I decided I don't like about that is that it's an obvious compromise and leaves you with the worst of both options -- you get the limited functionality of vintage parts without getting the beauty. With this picture in particular I always felt like the rear derailleur secretly wanted to be a kickstand.
I've since rebuilt the De Rosa with the stealth triple I mentioned earlier.
It's 49-42-32 with a 14-26 freewheel, but you have to look pretty close to see that. My Gios is build like that too, except is has an SR rear derailleur so I can use a 14-28 freewheel. I do like this build a lot, but not enough to do it a third time, not least because I'm not getting any lighter or stronger and even a 32-26 only gets me up moderate climbs.
I even have a spare Red Clover triplizer and the Some long cage sitting on the shelf. The thing I decided I don't like about that is that it's an obvious compromise and leaves you with the worst of both options -- you get the limited functionality of vintage parts without getting the beauty. With this picture in particular I always felt like the rear derailleur secretly wanted to be a kickstand.
I've since rebuilt the De Rosa with the stealth triple I mentioned earlier.
It's 49-42-32 with a 14-26 freewheel, but you have to look pretty close to see that. My Gios is build like that too, except is has an SR rear derailleur so I can use a 14-28 freewheel. I do like this build a lot, but not enough to do it a third time, not least because I'm not getting any lighter or stronger and even a 32-26 only gets me up moderate climbs.
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I don’t know, kind of like the idea of having a couple of conventionally geared bikes hanging around that force/allow me to ride in different places than I would usually.
As GoMango once said, he found himself bulding the same bike over and over again, which really made me stop and think.
If all of my bikes are equipped for me to ride Skyline Drive, what will I ride just to noodle (or pootle) around the local locality?
As GoMango once said, he found himself bulding the same bike over and over again, which really made me stop and think.
If all of my bikes are equipped for me to ride Skyline Drive, what will I ride just to noodle (or pootle) around the local locality?
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Well, to be fair, it is well documented what the owner of the list wants to talk about and what not to talk about. It is mostly the same people there as is here. Here I can encourage you to get a crabon fork and braze-ons for disc brakes. I can even bring up Illinois nazis and I hate Illinois nazis. Can't do any of that on CR, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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I don’t know, kind of like the idea of having a couple of conventionally geared bikes hanging around that force/allow me to ride in different places than I would usually.
As GoMango once said, he found himself bulding the same bike over and over again, which really made me stop and think.
If all of my bikes are equipped for me to ride Skyline Drive, what will I ride just to noodle (or pootle) around the local locality?
As GoMango once said, he found himself bulding the same bike over and over again, which really made me stop and think.
If all of my bikes are equipped for me to ride Skyline Drive, what will I ride just to noodle (or pootle) around the local locality?
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In these instances, the thought process is usually:
How many speeds?
Indexed or not?
Which RD to use?
After that, everything is optional depending on the budget and the preferred look.
How many speeds?
Indexed or not?
Which RD to use?
After that, everything is optional depending on the budget and the preferred look.
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The crank was $20 and the FD $15 on the Bay. Both from the Suntour X-1 group and lighter than Shimano's options that met the requirements.
RD is the cheapest black Deore in good condition I could find that would shift 8-10.
SRAM 11-30 cassette and chain.
Stronglight chainrings with the tooth count I wanted and the original granny that came with the crank.
Shimano 5500 black hubs.
Dia Compe forged dual pivot brake calipers. Cheaper and lighter than the Shimano 105 options.
Microshift brifters. I don't care for the long throw of a Shimano brake lever shift anyway. Win-win.
Cheap Kalloy seatpost. It was one someone had returned to A-zon. Cost me $9.52. The Nitto Pearl stem was not cheap. It's the only black one I could find in a 90. Already had the handlebars.
Under 21 lbs without the pedals. Not bad.
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+1 this. You won't need to change the derailleur to a longer cage or install a triple-length bottom bracket. Or Zeus, if you can find one. I run 48x36 on my bike:
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Did you find that on Ebay Kazakhstan? I hear the Campy pulleys are impossible to find in packs of three, and we know how Campy pulleys crack.
Andy, I just rode my Masi today and decided I really, really like it. It’s the kind of bike that should be ridden a lot, so do whatever it takes. If it makes you feel better mine is really hacked with a Sugino compact 50-34, ultra rare, Campagnolo branded Suntour triple pulley RD, Simplex shifters. Other than that, a completely faithful build. Well, also the modern Royce high flange front hub that looks like a Record HF.I just realized I haven’t taken proper pics of it but here are a couple in the files. I’m sure, in your collection, you have one or two classics with period correct builds, so that should be enough to keep the fire and brimstone bike gods happy.
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I have this really bad problem of not riding enough. There are a couple of hills that are a bit of challenge.
I decided to convert the Pinarello to a triple up front after converting from DA 740x to Campagnolo.
Used a Racing T crank and RD, 52/42/30 with 13-26 in the 9 speed rear. Works out great! I just can't pedal at higher speeds.
P1050228 on Flickr
The De Rosa works for other rides with less steep hills and is jut a bit higher geared 10speed Record, 53/39 with 11-25. The crank looks like a 4 spider arm.
P1040419 on Flickr
For tooling around on relatively flat rides, the Langster works out very well. Plug for SS/FG.
2010 Langster Steel 61cm on Flickr
I decided to convert the Pinarello to a triple up front after converting from DA 740x to Campagnolo.
Used a Racing T crank and RD, 52/42/30 with 13-26 in the 9 speed rear. Works out great! I just can't pedal at higher speeds.
P1050228 on Flickr
The De Rosa works for other rides with less steep hills and is jut a bit higher geared 10speed Record, 53/39 with 11-25. The crank looks like a 4 spider arm.
P1040419 on Flickr
For tooling around on relatively flat rides, the Langster works out very well. Plug for SS/FG.
2010 Langster Steel 61cm on Flickr
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