Love / hate bike relationship
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Love / hate bike relationship
Just a rant thread. As I was riding to work this morning on one of my two main bikes (a cross / gravel bike set up for commuting), I was reflecting on why I don't love this bike. When set up properly as it was this morning, it is fantastic to ride. Yesterday was maintenance day, so I did a drive train clean, replaced the rear disc pads -- the others had a little life left, but had started making not-good, not-not normal noises -- and generally just got it cleaned up. I do basic maintenance on this bike fairly regularly (a minimum of once a week - more after really dusty or wet rides). This morning, it rode great! Everything quite, shifted well, brakes worked as expected. But... this bike is extremely sensitive. I use it on gravel / dirt, and the shifting gets out of whack really quickly. On longer rides / events, applying some lube periodically helps. But the bike is such a pain in the ass, it is hard for me to love. I've put about 1600 miles on it since I got it in the spring, and still am uncertain about it; I find myself investigating alternatives regularly.
Contrast with the road bike purchased last year with close to 6000 miles on it now. It just works. No major issues, perform the same basic types of maintenance and never have big issues even when I've used it on light gravel, in the rain, or in other less than ideal conditions. I can't imagine replacing this bike anytime soon unless something really unexpected happens.
I'm trying to decide how much of this is groupset (SRAM Apex vs Di2) and how much is the bike. The fit on the cross bike is fine, I just get annoyed by it a little too easily.
Contrast with the road bike purchased last year with close to 6000 miles on it now. It just works. No major issues, perform the same basic types of maintenance and never have big issues even when I've used it on light gravel, in the rain, or in other less than ideal conditions. I can't imagine replacing this bike anytime soon unless something really unexpected happens.
I'm trying to decide how much of this is groupset (SRAM Apex vs Di2) and how much is the bike. The fit on the cross bike is fine, I just get annoyed by it a little too easily.
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I'm not familiar with SRAM Apex, but I've had a few mtbs with SRAM X01 that have been as reliable and consistent as Shimano.
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Edit to add: this is also the problem with anecdotal information. I have a few friends with SRAM AXS horror stories, but couldn't tell you how widespread that is and certainly see as much or more Etap / AXS on group rides as I do Di2. SRAM mechanical road stuff seems less common, but it hasn't been updated in so long that's probably not a surprise.
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I've seen some scattered complaints about Apex 1x, enough to make me pick an older model Canyon outlet bike that came with Rival 1x over their newer Apex 1x offerings that were around the same price.
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What color are the bikes?
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Having to adjust shifting on a weekly basis, or on a ride by ride basis, would get old very quickly. Like in about 3 weeks.
That shouldnt happen and I would for sure choose my riding and therefore my bike based on not having to deal with such frequent maintenance.
That shouldnt happen and I would for sure choose my riding and therefore my bike based on not having to deal with such frequent maintenance.
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Maybe you just don't like riding CX or gravel enough. I haven't either.
Pavement is just too easy for me to like. I'd have to find something that really intrigued me about the other types of surface to ride to hold my interest enough to want to do it regularly.
Pavement is just too easy for me to like. I'd have to find something that really intrigued me about the other types of surface to ride to hold my interest enough to want to do it regularly.
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I actually really enjoy gravel - and when the bike is working, it is great. I've done pretty well in a few gravel events (I did a TT tonight that mixes really fast gravel with a middle single track mountain bike trail). The wife says no to a new bike right now, so I'll just keep cleaning the chain super regularly before I muck it up with dust :-).
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From what I read you are pleased with the bike when it is clean, but as it picks up grit and grime from use on dirt roads your satisfaction in the bike fails quickly. The simple solution is to stop riding on dirt, otherwise clean the bike after every ride to keep it working as your preference indicates.
FWIW, Apex has always sucked and is no comparison to any Di2 set up. This is coming from a guy that does not care for Di2, but has worked on plenty of Apex and Di2 bikes.
FWIW, Apex has always sucked and is no comparison to any Di2 set up. This is coming from a guy that does not care for Di2, but has worked on plenty of Apex and Di2 bikes.
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how old are the cables & housings? maybe it's time for replacements?
have you cleaned the shifters & derailers, as-in, flooding them w/ WD40 while actualing them?
have you cleaned the shifters & derailers, as-in, flooding them w/ WD40 while actualing them?
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You random internet person, are dead to me.
From what I read you are pleased with the bike when it is clean, but as it picks up grit and grime from use on dirt roads your satisfaction in the bike fails quickly. The simple solution is to stop riding on dirt, otherwise clean the bike after every ride to keep it working as your preference indicates.
FWIW, Apex has always sucked and is no comparison to any Di2 set up. This is coming from a guy that does not care for Di2, but has worked on plenty of Apex and Di2 bikes.
FWIW, Apex has always sucked and is no comparison to any Di2 set up. This is coming from a guy that does not care for Di2, but has worked on plenty of Apex and Di2 bikes.
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Some people don't like SRAM Apex. Mostly gripes about it's shifting. But I don't know that that is any more of a majority than those that don't like Rival's shifting or Di2 shifting.
I'm not so infatuated with my electronic shifting that I wouldn't turn down a bike with mechanical shifting if it had other better stuff on it. But all things being equal, I'll probably stick with electronic shifting on my next bike since at that price tier it's getting pretty standard.
I'm not so infatuated with my electronic shifting that I wouldn't turn down a bike with mechanical shifting if it had other better stuff on it. But all things being equal, I'll probably stick with electronic shifting on my next bike since at that price tier it's getting pretty standard.
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This thread made me come face to face with my own biases in another way. I just realized that every bike I have purchased for myself as an adult except for one (a great Fuji Team back when they were made from steel) has prominently featured blue. That fuji was bright yellow.