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Old 03-17-22, 05:40 PM
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Bicycles Combat Climate Chance

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlton...limate-change/
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Old 03-17-22, 06:55 PM
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From the article:

”In 2013, President Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov ordered all citizens to buy bikes.”

I do not support this type of advocacy.
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Originally Posted by flangehead View Post
From the article:

”In 2013, President Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov ordered all citizens to buy bikes.”

I do not support this type of advocacy.
That’s Turkmenistan.
Here in the United States, maybe the President hasn’t “ordered” everyone to buy a car, but it’s almost as if he did.
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Originally Posted by hotbike View Post
That’s Turkmenistan.
Here in the United States, maybe the President hasn’t “ordered” everyone to buy a car, but it’s almost as if he did.
No, it isn’t. You and I might not like our infrastructure, and some of the influences may be stronger and some weaker, but we had choices, and we still do.
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Originally Posted by flangehead View Post
No, it isn’t. You and I might not like our infrastructure, and some of the influences may be stronger and some weaker, but we had choices, and we still do.

Tell that to the people who lived or had businesses in urban neighborhoods that were flattened to build interstates. There were a lot of those.

I'm ok with criticizing a mandatory purchase policy, but let's not pretend that infrastructure choices don't involve coercion.
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Old 03-18-22, 06:11 AM
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In a related story, President Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov has become the major stockholder in Trek, Specialized, and Giant.
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Originally Posted by Bald Paul View Post
In a related story, President Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov has become the major stockholder in Trek, Specialized, and Giant.

Just FYI, his son is becoming the new dictator tomorrow. Not a joke.

It wouldn't be at all surprising if they have a financial interest in a decree like that. That would be par for the course with a thug regime.
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They should double the price of gazoline and use the revenue to distribute one quality bicycle suitable for commuting to every household starting with people who live in trailer parks first then work up from there.
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Old 03-19-22, 05:54 AM
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whatsa climate chance
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Originally Posted by wolfchild View Post
Man made climate change is the greatest hoax in the history of humanity..
you're wrong
https://scienceexchange.caltech.edu/...climate-change

https://www.edf.org/climate/9-ways-w...climate-change

Multiple independent teams of scientists have reached the same result - a spike in temperatures coinciding with the onset of the industrial era.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58954530

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Just wait another decade until the Liberals and Greens increase their influence and authority and everybody here in North America and Canada will be forced to buy an electric vehicle and those who can't afford an electric vehicle will be forced to use bicycles and walk everywhere.
Better start now so when the time comes and all the procrastinators are complaining, you'd already have yours.
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Really, one of "those people" are on here? A tin foil hat wearer? Cool. Go to Russia, traitor.
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Just wait another decade until the Liberals and Greens increase their influence and authority and everybody here in North America and Canada will be forced to buy an electric vehicle and those who can't afford an electric vehicle will be forced to use bicycles and walk everywhere.
That is already happening.

I'll try to keep this simple. Cars that run on gasoline used to produce large amounts of HC (unburned hydrocarbons) and CO (carbon monoxide.) Those contributed to the days of air quality alerts due to toxic smog in some cities. Government said the automakers had to clean up the exhaust from cars. Enter emissions controls, computers, fuel injection, catalytic converters (if someone hasn't stolen it) and HC and CO get changed into H2O (water) and CO2 (carbon dioxide.) In fact, the more efficiently an engine runs, the higher the percentage (typically around 14%) of CO2 in the exhaust. A good running modern car, once warmed up, produces next to zero HC and CO.

Now the bad news: CO2 is a greenhouse gas, and can contribute to global warming. Now, automakers are told they must reduce the CO2 emissions, while still keeping HC and CO down. Many manufacturers have already announced that they are discontinuing development of the gasoline engine, because trying to achieve those limits would either be impossible, or outrageously expensive to produce. They are switching production and development to all-electric vehicles. It's the only way they can meet the new emissions requirements.

In ten years, you may be hard pressed to find a "gas station" for your antique 2005 Corolla. I can envision an electric car with a rack holding one or two e-bikes in the future. The car gets you where you're going, and the e-bikes get you around locally while your car charges.

Sometimes, I'm glad I'm as old as I am.

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you're wrong
Climate change is a natural phenomena influenced and controlled by forces which science will never be able to explain. Climate change existed before humans begun to inhabit this earth.
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This thread has lots of political comments we’re deleting. Optical discussions aren’t allowed except in the P&R forum. Some of you may disagree with that but we do it for a reason - politics will drive just about any cycling discussion into heated off-topic arguments.

If you want to discuss this subject more in political terms, move it to P&R. But if political posts continue, we have no choice but cancel the thread.

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Climate change is a natural phenomena influenced and controlled by forces which science will never be able to explain. Climate change existed before humans begun to inhabit this earth.
you really should read the links I posted
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Tell that to the people who lived or had businesses in urban neighborhoods that were flattened to build interstates. There were a lot of those.

I'm ok with criticizing a mandatory purchase policy, but let's not pretend that infrastructure choices don't involve coercion.
Human society involves coercion. From the foods we eat to the clothing we wear. The majority moves the directions we take, others follow along or are seen as outcasts. Infrastructure is built to satisfy the demands of society.

Which is not to say that the choices made may not be poor. But generally speaking the majority thinks they sound like a good idea at the time.

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I guess that would work if it were true.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven View Post
This thread has lots of political comments we’re deleting. Optical discussions aren’t allowed except in the P&R forum. Some of you may disagree with that but we do it for a reason - politics will drive just about any cycling discussion into heated off-topic arguments.

If you want to discuss this subject more in political terms, move it to P&R. But if political posts continue, we have no choice but cancel the thread.

Stan
I think you should go ahead and cancel the thread. Otherwise, there's a lot of very political climate change denialism that's going to require answering. Sorry, but I'm completely baffled by what the difference is between things that are being deleted and things that are not, and several of the posts that were deleted are still there in the quotes.
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whatsa climate chance
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Old 03-20-22, 12:20 PM
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CitiBike docks at UN Headquarters

Im just leaving you with this photo of CitiBikes in front of the UN general assembly building on 1st Avenue.

Not sure how this is so controversial.
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Every year they seem to be adding more and more electric bikes in the CitiBike fleet. One day, in the not-to-distant future they'll all be electric. That's how much we humans are addicted to energy (not fossil fuels -- but energy). That's the problem with going green, no one really wants to do it, if it means they have to give a little.

BTW, bikes are so popular in NYC (and other large cities), because it's such a pain to drive and find parking. Much easier to get around on a bike and cheaper. Yet, people believe they're being green when they do it. It'd be far more greener if we didn't demand electric bikes.
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Originally Posted by flangehead View Post
From the article:

”In 2013, President Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov ordered all citizens to buy bikes.”

I do not support this type of advocacy.
Why not?
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Why not?
No more support than “everyone has to have a car”.
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