Floyd Landis - Is it possible...
08-05-06, 06:46 AM
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Floyd Landis - Is it possible...
1) Somebody in the Phonak camp did this to Landis without him knowing it?
2) The UCI lab is corrupt?
2) The UCI lab is corrupt?
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08-05-06, 06:49 AM
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Oops, that was supposed to be, "Is it possible...."
Must have been all the whiskey and beer I had with my Froot Loops this morning.
Must have been all the whiskey and beer I had with my Froot Loops this morning.
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Originally Posted by TCR
1) Somebody in the Phonak camp did this to Landis without him knowing it?
2) The UCI lab is corrupt?
2) The UCI lab is corrupt?
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Originally Posted by EURO
No. He's a cheat.
08-05-06, 07:46 AM
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Everyone has an opinion.
Most have an agenda too.
EURO's, I would venture to say, is that he is more pleased this is happening to an American rider. You have to ask yourself, would he be saying the same things about another, non-American rider who won Le Tour then got nailed for doping?
And if the answer is yes, then I guess he really does believe that every pro rider in that race cheats.
I, although only an infant fan of this sport (started paying attention in 2001 after my surgery in 2000) still do not want to believe that. I don't buy it.
Most have an agenda too.
EURO's, I would venture to say, is that he is more pleased this is happening to an American rider. You have to ask yourself, would he be saying the same things about another, non-American rider who won Le Tour then got nailed for doping?
And if the answer is yes, then I guess he really does believe that every pro rider in that race cheats.
I, although only an infant fan of this sport (started paying attention in 2001 after my surgery in 2000) still do not want to believe that. I don't buy it.
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Originally Posted by Hipcycler
EURO's, I would venture to say, is that he is more pleased this is happening to an American rider. You have to ask yourself, would he be saying the same things about another, non-American rider who won Le Tour then got nailed for doping?
And if the answer is yes, then I guess he really does believe that every pro rider in that race cheats.
And if the answer is yes, then I guess he really does believe that every pro rider in that race cheats.
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It does appear that Floyd did cheat. Of course, there is ample evidence that several other top riders in the sport do also. I suppose that makes Floyd the cheater that was caught and not merely suspected of cheating.
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EURO's just torqued that the best a British rider could to was 59th.
Hey buddy--howzi goin'?
Hey buddy--howzi goin'?
08-05-06, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by TCR
1) Somebody in the Phonak camp did this to Landis without him knowing it?
2) The UCI lab is corrupt?
...
2) The UCI lab is corrupt?
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testosterone patch goes on your coin purse, dunno about you but I would notice someone putting something there
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I think the test results being in quesiton is more probably than someone slipping him something.
But all we know now, per UCI, is that there is adverse findings in both the A and B samples.
But all we know now, per UCI, is that there is adverse findings in both the A and B samples.
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If I was going to dope during the TDF, a gnarly mountain stage would be my choice too!
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My guess is that he was doping duing most, if not all of the tour, and he did something on that day caused the failing test result. Maybe he took more than his normal dose after his dismal stage 16 finish. Or maybe the combination of alcohol and the ride of his life raised his dailed in T/E ratio.
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Originally Posted by EURO
No. He's a cheat.
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08-05-06, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sincitycycler
What do you think of David Millar, EURO?
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Originally Posted by Second Mouse
EURO's just torqued that the best a British rider could to was 59th.
Hey buddy--howzi goin'?
Hey buddy--howzi goin'?
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08-05-06, 01:12 PM
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1) Somebody in the Phonak camp did this to Landis without him knowing it?
2) The UCI lab is corrupt?
2) The UCI lab is corrupt?
jesus, give everyone a break and......SHUT UP with your conspiracy theory bollocks please.
08-05-06, 03:09 PM
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Everyone needs to lay off Euro. He's one of the most rational people on this issue. Check out all his posts on the Tour or Floyd. This is not an issue of nationality - there are things Brits are better at than Americans and vice versa. Who gives a ****?
The issue is that, yes, Floyd cheated. No this is not a conspiracy. Do you guys really believe that? Honestly? I was as bummed as anybody after Stage 16, then totally pumped after 17. Floyd was my cycing hero for like a week. I thought he was clean, but tests proving exogenous testosterone proved me wrong. And I'm not going to believe he's the victim of some Anti-American conspiracy. That's really just silly and childish. I believe most of these guys are doping. Almost all top-level athletes are. I don't care who's failed drug tests. Failed drug tests are anomolies. These sports (this extends to American sports like baseball and football) involve so much money, especially when compared to the budgets of WADA and USADA. It's unreal. Even the anti-dopers admit that the drug cheats are generally a couple years ahead of the testers. It's a rare case, based almost entirely on luck, when the USADA stumbles upon a new, undectable drug. See Patrick Arnold and the BALCO case for more on this.
Floyd got caught. Now he has to deal with the consequences. Let's all knock off the notion that somebody (especially an entire continent of people) is out to get him. The King is dead. Long live the King.
The issue is that, yes, Floyd cheated. No this is not a conspiracy. Do you guys really believe that? Honestly? I was as bummed as anybody after Stage 16, then totally pumped after 17. Floyd was my cycing hero for like a week. I thought he was clean, but tests proving exogenous testosterone proved me wrong. And I'm not going to believe he's the victim of some Anti-American conspiracy. That's really just silly and childish. I believe most of these guys are doping. Almost all top-level athletes are. I don't care who's failed drug tests. Failed drug tests are anomolies. These sports (this extends to American sports like baseball and football) involve so much money, especially when compared to the budgets of WADA and USADA. It's unreal. Even the anti-dopers admit that the drug cheats are generally a couple years ahead of the testers. It's a rare case, based almost entirely on luck, when the USADA stumbles upon a new, undectable drug. See Patrick Arnold and the BALCO case for more on this.
Floyd got caught. Now he has to deal with the consequences. Let's all knock off the notion that somebody (especially an entire continent of people) is out to get him. The King is dead. Long live the King.
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Originally Posted by Kurto
The issue is that, yes, Floyd cheated. No this is not a conspiracy. Do you guys really believe that? Honestly? I thought he was clean, but tests proving exogenous testosterone proved me wrong. And I'm not going to believe he's the victim of some Anti-American conspiracy. That's really just silly and childish.
Let's all knock off the notion that somebody (especially an entire continent of people) is out to get him. The King is dead. Long live the King.
Let's all knock off the notion that somebody (especially an entire continent of people) is out to get him. The King is dead. Long live the King.
Do you really 100% believe it's not possible the UCI, or certain individuals in the UCI, are not corrupt? It's certainly a possibility.
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