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Why Did America Give Up on Mass Transit?

Old 09-04-21, 08:44 PM
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We get what we pay for. We don't invest in transit and prefer to pay for highways that increase congestion. We have no middle development which is between urban and suburban. The Big three changed the laws for streets, and highways away from transit and ran transit systems into the ground. Now we have congestion everywhere. Name one city with a freeway where congestion was relieved? We keep investing in solutions that don't work.
Congestion is a product of population density and centralization. Subways also get congested.
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Old 09-08-21, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SkinGriz View Post
Congestion is a product of population density and centralization. Subways also get congested.
Exactly. As any transit can get crowded.

How bout this.....

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...at-up/2096328/
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Old 09-13-21, 10:57 PM
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[QUOTE=alloo;22214654]We get what we pay for. We don't invest in transit and prefer to pay for highways that increase congestion. We have no middle development which is between urban and suburban. The Big three changed the laws for streets, and highways away from transit and ran transit systems into the ground. Now we have congestion everywhere. Name one city with a freeway where congestion was relieved? We keep investing in solutions that don't work.[/
Correct. The big 3 got the government to turn into a communistic dictatorship. Think about it car companies hijacked the government for road building , and the military for securing oil interests, airlines included. I keep freaking out when I think of each jumbo jet uses 35,000 gallons of fuel per each transcontinental flight.
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Old 09-13-21, 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by StarBiker View Post
Exactly. As any transit can get crowded.
interestingly though, with most decent transit systems, as ridership goes up, speed actually increases as headways are improved to match the ridership... up to the point where they can't be any more, and then crowding begins. still, crowding doesn't usually result in slower trips unless it's so severe (which happens, but not often) that you can't get onto the first vehicle which comes.

contrast this to roads, where just about ANY other people using them in their cars slows you down.

i think this fundamentally accounts for the difference in outlook between users and supporters of mass transit vs private cars in roads. for the former, more users is a virtue. for the latter, the optimum situation is someone else building them a ton of expensive public infrastructure but then nobody else using it.
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Old 09-15-21, 09:48 AM
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They will eventually build the Maglev though. Have to alleviate traffic in the B W metro.
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