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Originally Posted by Vintage Schwinn;22576981[color=#999999
]Campagnolo, a pioneer in engineering excellence that ruled the world until about 1967, since that time CAMPY has been [/color]second rate, and a distant second rate to everything Maeda SUNTOUR and SHIMANO.
In just a few years in the Seventies, SHIMANO & SUNTOUR obliterated Campagnolo as the once stellarhigh line bike marques came to the quick realization that continuing to employ the vastly inferior Campagnolo junkwas doing nothing to continue to help marketing those once stellar bike marques as being worthy of high praise.
Most of theprestige European marques hung on too long with Campagnolo, (and Simplex & Huret too..) after it was very clear that SHIMANO & SUNTOUR had superior engineering and durability as well as flawless operational reliability. Heck, back in 1971, most such bike owners were certainly replacing their original equipment Campagnolo rear derailleur for a SUNTOUR or SHIMANO unit. The Japanese quality was that much better, and riders ofprestige European bicycles certainly realized that fact by 1971 and 1972, even though the European marques still specified the vastly inferior Campagnolo components for some time beyond 1972.
By 1977 though nearly everybody on the planet had adopted the far superior Japanese engineering and had eliminated such outdated second rate turds from Campagnolo, Simplex, and Huret. Campagnolo never again came close to Suntour or Shimano after 1968. None of the other Europeans did either!
Yes you can say that Shimano and Maeda SUNTOUR both copied & almost stole their basic designs from the best comingling of then state of the art European designs, but the Japanese found a way to very much improve and refine the operational durability of these "borrowed" designs and then take them to greater advances and new engineering that further advanced the state of the art.
Certainly, Campagnolo has a cool cachet which some folks enjoy this prestige and the neat Campagnolo script and overall looks, but no matter how you try to polish a turd, you cannot attain the superioroperational functionality of the farsuperior Shimano and Suntour components. Compared to Shimano, Campagnolo is second rate.
You can best describe Campagnolo components by taking the first three letters of the far superior Japanese components manufacturer and then making a letter with one verticle line that is intersected by a horizontal line about 1/3 of the way down from the top most portion of the verticle line. That about sums it up for Campagnolo, at least since the end of the sixties, when compared directly to Shimano components.
It isn't that Campagnolo is that bad. After all they were the world's best for a long time until the mid to late sixties. They are still decent enough and well made, but Shimano is in fact that much better than Campagnolo that in my opinion Campy equates with feces when compared to the vastly superior engineering execution of Shimano components.
In just a few years in the Seventies, SHIMANO & SUNTOUR obliterated Campagnolo as the once stellarhigh line bike marques came to the quick realization that continuing to employ the vastly inferior Campagnolo junkwas doing nothing to continue to help marketing those once stellar bike marques as being worthy of high praise.
Most of theprestige European marques hung on too long with Campagnolo, (and Simplex & Huret too..) after it was very clear that SHIMANO & SUNTOUR had superior engineering and durability as well as flawless operational reliability. Heck, back in 1971, most such bike owners were certainly replacing their original equipment Campagnolo rear derailleur for a SUNTOUR or SHIMANO unit. The Japanese quality was that much better, and riders ofprestige European bicycles certainly realized that fact by 1971 and 1972, even though the European marques still specified the vastly inferior Campagnolo components for some time beyond 1972.
By 1977 though nearly everybody on the planet had adopted the far superior Japanese engineering and had eliminated such outdated second rate turds from Campagnolo, Simplex, and Huret. Campagnolo never again came close to Suntour or Shimano after 1968. None of the other Europeans did either!
Yes you can say that Shimano and Maeda SUNTOUR both copied & almost stole their basic designs from the best comingling of then state of the art European designs, but the Japanese found a way to very much improve and refine the operational durability of these "borrowed" designs and then take them to greater advances and new engineering that further advanced the state of the art.
Certainly, Campagnolo has a cool cachet which some folks enjoy this prestige and the neat Campagnolo script and overall looks, but no matter how you try to polish a turd, you cannot attain the superioroperational functionality of the farsuperior Shimano and Suntour components. Compared to Shimano, Campagnolo is second rate.
You can best describe Campagnolo components by taking the first three letters of the far superior Japanese components manufacturer and then making a letter with one verticle line that is intersected by a horizontal line about 1/3 of the way down from the top most portion of the verticle line. That about sums it up for Campagnolo, at least since the end of the sixties, when compared directly to Shimano components.
It isn't that Campagnolo is that bad. After all they were the world's best for a long time until the mid to late sixties. They are still decent enough and well made, but Shimano is in fact that much better than Campagnolo that in my opinion Campy equates with feces when compared to the vastly superior engineering execution of Shimano components.
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I think it's simply that Shimano has a larger sponsorship budget. The pros will use any thing that is sponsored, as long as it works well. All three (Shimano, Sram, Campagnolo) work well. Shimano sponsors more. Same with frames, shoes, helmets, everything. There are frames as good or better than Trek and Specialized, for instance.
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07-17-22, 04:19 PM
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The Campagnolo bashing came late in this thread, I expected it to come about 4 or 5 posts in. Very surprising.
I raced Campagnolo for 10 years, then was given a Nishiki with Suntour Cyclone to race. It worked as good as the Campagnolo, but not any better. Never won anything or went faster because it was Suntour. The Cyclone rear der wore out in about 10 years whereas the Campagnolo NR der is still going to this day, albeit it only goes out for a spin once a year now.
No question it is SIS that put Shimano on the map, and their pursuit of engineering it into something reliable and somewhat durable is what has made them the KIng Kong of components. They earned it. Campagnolo sucked at SIS until they developed their second gen brifters Just 4 seasons ago I switched from friction NR to indexed Record 11 speed and absolutely love it. Of course me being me, I am running the setup with a Sram 11 speed cassette as the hub I use is Shimano compatible, not Campag compatable.
Ride what you ride and smile with the miles. Its all good.
I raced Campagnolo for 10 years, then was given a Nishiki with Suntour Cyclone to race. It worked as good as the Campagnolo, but not any better. Never won anything or went faster because it was Suntour. The Cyclone rear der wore out in about 10 years whereas the Campagnolo NR der is still going to this day, albeit it only goes out for a spin once a year now.
No question it is SIS that put Shimano on the map, and their pursuit of engineering it into something reliable and somewhat durable is what has made them the KIng Kong of components. They earned it. Campagnolo sucked at SIS until they developed their second gen brifters Just 4 seasons ago I switched from friction NR to indexed Record 11 speed and absolutely love it. Of course me being me, I am running the setup with a Sram 11 speed cassette as the hub I use is Shimano compatible, not Campag compatable.
Ride what you ride and smile with the miles. Its all good.
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Campagnolo, a pioneer in engineering excellence that ruled the world until about 1967, since that time CAMPY has been second rate, and a distant second rate to everything Maeda SUNTOUR and SHIMANO.
In just a few years in the Seventies, SHIMANO & SUNTOUR obliterated Campagnolo as the once stellar high line bike marques came to the quick realization that continuing to employ the vastly inferior Campagnolo junk was doing nothing to continue to help marketing those once stellar bike marques as being worthy of high praise.
Most of the prestige European marques hung on too long with Campagnolo, (and Simplex & Huret too..) after it was very clear that SHIMANO & SUNTOUR had superior engineering and durability as well as flawless operational reliability. Heck, back in 1971, most such bike owners were certainly replacing their original equipment Campagnolo rear derailleur for a SUNTOUR or SHIMANO unit. The Japanese quality was that much better, and riders of prestige European bicycles certainly realized that fact by 1971 and 1972, even though the European marques still specified the vastly inferior Campagnolo components for some time beyond 1972.
By 1977 though nearly everybody on the planet had adopted the far superior Japanese engineering and had eliminated such outdated second rate turds from Campagnolo, Simplex, and Huret. Campagnolo never again came close to Suntour or Shimano after 1968. None of the other Europeans did either!
Yes you can say that Shimano and Maeda SUNTOUR both copied & almost stole their basic designs from the best comingling of then state of the art European designs, but the Japanese found a way to very much improve and refine the operational durability of these "borrowed" designs and then take them to greater advances and new engineering that further advanced the state of the art.
Certainly, Campagnolo has a cool cachet which some folks enjoy this prestige and the neat Campagnolo script and overall looks, but no matter how you try to polish a turd, you cannot attain the superior operational functionality of the far superior Shimano and Suntour components. Compared to Shimano, Campagnolo is second rate.
You can best describe Campagnolo components by taking the first three letters of the far superior Japanese components manufacturer and then making a letter with one verticle line that is intersected by a horizontal line about 1/3 of the way down from the top most portion of the verticle line. That about sums it up for Campagnolo, at least since the end of the sixties, when compared directly to Shimano components.
It isn't that Campagnolo is that bad. After all they were the world's best for a long time until the mid to late sixties. They are still decent enough and well made, but Shimano is in fact that much better than Campagnolo that in my opinion Campy equates with feces when compared to the vastly superior engineering execution of Shimano components.
In just a few years in the Seventies, SHIMANO & SUNTOUR obliterated Campagnolo as the once stellar high line bike marques came to the quick realization that continuing to employ the vastly inferior Campagnolo junk was doing nothing to continue to help marketing those once stellar bike marques as being worthy of high praise.
Most of the prestige European marques hung on too long with Campagnolo, (and Simplex & Huret too..) after it was very clear that SHIMANO & SUNTOUR had superior engineering and durability as well as flawless operational reliability. Heck, back in 1971, most such bike owners were certainly replacing their original equipment Campagnolo rear derailleur for a SUNTOUR or SHIMANO unit. The Japanese quality was that much better, and riders of prestige European bicycles certainly realized that fact by 1971 and 1972, even though the European marques still specified the vastly inferior Campagnolo components for some time beyond 1972.
By 1977 though nearly everybody on the planet had adopted the far superior Japanese engineering and had eliminated such outdated second rate turds from Campagnolo, Simplex, and Huret. Campagnolo never again came close to Suntour or Shimano after 1968. None of the other Europeans did either!
Yes you can say that Shimano and Maeda SUNTOUR both copied & almost stole their basic designs from the best comingling of then state of the art European designs, but the Japanese found a way to very much improve and refine the operational durability of these "borrowed" designs and then take them to greater advances and new engineering that further advanced the state of the art.
Certainly, Campagnolo has a cool cachet which some folks enjoy this prestige and the neat Campagnolo script and overall looks, but no matter how you try to polish a turd, you cannot attain the superior operational functionality of the far superior Shimano and Suntour components. Compared to Shimano, Campagnolo is second rate.
You can best describe Campagnolo components by taking the first three letters of the far superior Japanese components manufacturer and then making a letter with one verticle line that is intersected by a horizontal line about 1/3 of the way down from the top most portion of the verticle line. That about sums it up for Campagnolo, at least since the end of the sixties, when compared directly to Shimano components.
It isn't that Campagnolo is that bad. After all they were the world's best for a long time until the mid to late sixties. They are still decent enough and well made, but Shimano is in fact that much better than Campagnolo that in my opinion Campy equates with feces when compared to the vastly superior engineering execution of Shimano components.
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When I got into bikes, Dura Ace was the best stuff available, bar-none, in terms of performance. The Campy stuff was still beautiful, and no doubt their bearings were--any maybe still are--the best in the business. But took forever to change their derailleur design, and those Delta brakes were just about the ugliest, least-aero things I'd ever seen. But "the-emperor's-new-clothes" crowd loved them. They didn't work well, either. Synchro shifters were an asymmetrical joke. All this because Shimano had a two-year head start on everyone in the industry with SIS shifting, and never looked back. Campy was caught sleeping, and tried to say that indexed shifting was for "non-competitive cyclists." That condescending bit of misdirection didn't work. When Campy finally switched to the slant parallelogram design, they had hope.
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07-18-22, 10:08 AM
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Campagnolo is a materials engineering company. Bicycle parts are a minor legacy line. The parts are sold to those who understand. They do not care in the slightest what you know about them or what you think of them. Those who buy Campy will continue to do so.
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Except if you ride mountain bikes, I guess...
07-20-22, 03:30 PM
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Campagnolo makes automotive parts and medical parts. They do B2B engineering services. They do research. I don't understand how the research is monetized, automotive and medical have much better markup than bike parts. Notice that they basically do not advertise their bike parts. The bike parts are the advertising for their other work.
Use the search bar.
Campagnolo has standards and they have tradition. Also filial piety. Not possible to explain those around here.
I use 85 year old Campy parts on a daily basis. Not for nostalgia, because they work. Campagnolo still has the best service ever experienced. Ask. Complaining online does not work. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given.
Use the search bar.
Campagnolo has standards and they have tradition. Also filial piety. Not possible to explain those around here.
I use 85 year old Campy parts on a daily basis. Not for nostalgia, because they work. Campagnolo still has the best service ever experienced. Ask. Complaining online does not work. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given.
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The company withdrew from the automotive business in the late 1970’s, refocusing exclusively on manufacturing some of the finest bicycle parts and groupsets on the market.
Bike parts are basically all they advertise. They are in no other market segments, that I have been able to find.
Been there. Did that.
Who's complaining?
I did ask for a link to these other businesses--from you--and got nothing. Thanks. You're apparently more stuck in the early 1970s than I am in the 1980s. But at least I know Shimano still makes fishing reels...
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Uhhmmmm no, you're incorrect. They made car rims for a while but it was a long time ago and they no longer do this. They do 'materials engineering' but only for bicycle parts. They are a bicycle component manufacturer, nothing more.
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"Filial Piety" eh? Thinking Japanese might be more open to a Confucian notion than Italians or Romanians. Nevertheless, someone must be feeling a little embarrassed right now. Please don't take it out on the dog....
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A search of "Campagnolo Medical" turns up nothing but doctors named Campagnolo. As for automotive, an automotive website says, Emphasis added.
Bike parts are basically all they advertise. They are in no other market segments, that I have been able to find.
Been there. Did that.
Who's complaining?
I did ask for a link to these other businesses--from you--and got nothing. Thanks. You're apparently more stuck in the early 1970s than I am in the 1980s. But at least I know Shimano still makes fishing reels...
Bike parts are basically all they advertise. They are in no other market segments, that I have been able to find.
Been there. Did that.
Who's complaining?
I did ask for a link to these other businesses--from you--and got nothing. Thanks. You're apparently more stuck in the early 1970s than I am in the 1980s. But at least I know Shimano still makes fishing reels...
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Campagnolo makes automotive parts and medical parts. They do B2B engineering services. They do research. I don't understand how the research is monetized, automotive and medical have much better markup than bike parts. Notice that they basically do not advertise their bike parts. The bike parts are the advertising for their other work.
Use the search bar.
Campagnolo has standards and they have tradition. Also filial piety. Not possible to explain those around here.
I use 85 year old Campy parts on a daily basis. Not for nostalgia, because they work. Campagnolo still has the best service ever experienced. Ask. Complaining online does not work. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given.
Use the search bar.
Campagnolo has standards and they have tradition. Also filial piety. Not possible to explain those around here.
I use 85 year old Campy parts on a daily basis. Not for nostalgia, because they work. Campagnolo still has the best service ever experienced. Ask. Complaining online does not work. Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given.
Whether Record parts from the 70’s or the current Super Record they are well made but no better than their top line competitors at the time. In fact they held the sport back due to there reluctance to innovation and oddball sizing from chainrings to the stupid cables. Yes they gave us the quick release but that was in the 1930’s.
You use 85 year old quick release? How old is your bike because the axle spacing would not be compatible for any bike made in the last 50 years.
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I give them respect because of how they have navigated all these negative and competitive influences, and remain a serious supplier of bike drivetrains for enthusiast riders. Are they the best for all bikes? No, because nothing is. Are they the best for my bikes? Yes, because I want bar shifters and my hands don't like the shapes of brifters, and it costs too much to buy a DuraAce setup just for a test run, and I already have Campy on nearly all of them. Do I care what the pro peletons use now? No. Does it matter to me what 63 uses? Yes, because I also have a bike of similar age and he has excellent knowledge of how things were done in those days. My 1952 bike has no Campy, at least it had none coming from the factory.
I like old Campy stuff. I don't need every part and every bike to have a current racing pedigree.
I like old Campy stuff. I don't need every part and every bike to have a current racing pedigree.
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I grew up in Braintree in the 60's. Watched Major Mudd, Romper Room and Bozo. I have no idea who or what Ibby is.
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I grew up in Fall River Mass. Born in '55 and lived most of my life in Mass...lord I hate mass holes ! ! !
The Major Mudd show was dreadful.
Captain Kangaroo ruled the air waves. Romper Room was ok. Bozo was terrifying...I hate clowns to this day.
I raced and rode on my Campy Super Record groupo for 22 years before the rear derailleur springs wore out and I couldn't get replacements. Everything else still worked like new.
Campy still makes great stuff as does Shimano and SRAM.
The Major Mudd show was dreadful.
Captain Kangaroo ruled the air waves. Romper Room was ok. Bozo was terrifying...I hate clowns to this day.
I raced and rode on my Campy Super Record groupo for 22 years before the rear derailleur springs wore out and I couldn't get replacements. Everything else still worked like new.
Campy still makes great stuff as does Shimano and SRAM.
