chaadster

There is no reason to assume the tire was built to any such “needed standards” for hookless rim compatibility. Compass didn’t say it was (as I recall from my familiarity with the brand), but it was designated as a clincher rim, i.e. crochet, rim tire. Hookless rims are distinct from clincher rims insofar as I can tell, and ergo, so too would the tires for each type, unless specified otherwise.

So yes, I agree the disappeared tire in question is probably out of spec for a fitment it was never designed for.

Psimet2001 

Whether or not it was designed for that application is between them and the courts. I couldn't care less.

What I am saying is that the tire in question wasn't going to measure to even the spec they set out for their tires. That's why it's gone.

chaadster

I don’t know why the tire is gone, but it seems to me that the condition of a inappropriately used tire would largely be irrelevant to the point that it was mounted on a rim type for which it wasn’t designed. And, of course, we don’t know the condition or build specs of the unknown rim, either. Hmm, perhaps that’s why the rim isn’t specified…

Koyote

You left out the key info: did you get in 50 miles?

Bald Paul

Which just goes to reinforce the need for ONE standard. Can you imagine having to ask "Hey, what tires will fit on my 2020 GMobile? I really like FIreYears, but I heard they aren't compatible with my rims, and a tire tech told me Micheloopers are almost impossible to mount."

Bald Paul

So, Mr. Defense Lawyer, at what point do you consider an injury to be worthy of compensation? Should I have just said "Oh well, sh*t happens" after the motorist hit me and left me with 12 stitches in my arm, and some pretty severe road rash (resulting in scarring) on my leg? And those of us who raced bicycles knew we had a good chance of crashing, accepted that level of risk, and agreed not to hold anyone responsible for our damages and injuries. That's why they make you sign waivers. That's a bit different than someone on a recreational ride that crashes due to a sudden and unexpected failure in the bicycle.

cxwrench

I did! Don't know if you know Marin at all but I was living in San Rafael. We went out over White's hill and did the Nicasio loop. Got back to SR at 48mi, so we went out around San Quentin and back to make 50.

Koyote

I don't know the area, but it sounds like a great ride. The key is to hit the birthday miles.

Koyote

A couple possibilities:

1) The injuries (and equipment damage) are more serious than suggested, and the plaintiff got a decent attorney to take the case.
2) The injuries are as trivial as you believe, in which case only a lousy attorney would be interested or the plaintiff is representing him/herself out of outrage and anger.

And either way, I'm sure you know that the odds of this ever reaching a jury are vanishingly small.

njkayaker

The goal of some suits is to settle.

jaxgtr

Koyote

That's pretty much always the goal. Actually going to court is pretty rare.

robbyville

Yowzers, I’ve read every post here and there are definitely some good points made. Seems
like there is opportunity for more improvement in standard development (what industry doesn’t). I suppose I'm
incredibly lucky, in I guess 9 years or so of regular tubeless use with a myriad of tires and rims (no hookless that I’m aware of though), I simply purchase tires labeled “TL, TLE, or Tubliss (thanks specialized) and never a problem save perhaps some extraordinary curse words in the case of the gp5000 TL’s.

Thankfully no different from checking the size on my car tires. I know I need 700c, my preference is 25mm and it’s gotta say TL, TLE, or Tubliss (tm). Not so difficult IMHO. When I buy wheels I just make sure they’re 700c and Tubeless compatible. No muss no fuss

Seattle Forrest

I've been enjoying road tubeless for years. I use tires from the approved list, and continue using ones I like. Mess doesn't describe my experience. I guess there's a wide range of experiences.

Racing Dan

Claiming hookless is "better" is simply a scam and a step backwards. 99,99% of all tyres are designed with a hook in mind. They may work on a hookless rim, if you keep the pressure down*, but there is really no benefit to the end user, except carbon rims can be manufactured cheaper.

*clear indicator the hookless design is inherently prone to blow offs.

Racing Dan

This exactly.

Every hookless manufacturer I've ever looked over, have had some semi secret web page with a list of approved and non approved tyres. Usually very short. - And on the forums a bunch of guys feverishly trying to explain it away and extrapolate what tyres could safely be used even if not listed.

merlinextraligh

there’s a pretty significant personal cost to pursuing a personal injury lawsuit. It’s going to become a significant portion of your life for a couple of years. Not least of the costs is the nature of the process which causes you to focus on your injury and your suffering, rather than on healing and moving on with your life.

You also are going to have to turn over a lot of personal information, including most any medical record for anything in your life. You’re going to spend time meeting with lawyers, preparing for your deposition and being deposed.

Then you’re going to get to listen to me for a day asking you potentially embarrassing questions, including about things such as your sex life. Oh and also we’re likely to subpoena your cell phone records, and surveil you with a private detective.

Personally, I would have to be pretty f’d up before that would begin to be worth it, 12 stitches in your example would not be close to the threshold for me.

Branko D

Hooked rims with tubeless road tires are pretty mature and well working tech now.

Hookless, meh.

Racing Dan

One aspect to hookless rims I really dislike, is, to the untrained eye, they look near identical to a normal rim and will let you mount any normal clincher or TL tyre, as they are the exact same size. If you are not a cycling nerd you are very much at risk of not knowing the difference between a hooked and hookless rim, mounting a non compatible tyre, that look identical, and creating an unsafe condition.

Sy Reene

Though I'm somehow doubting that you'd get a non TL tire to hold any air that you'd even make it out the door?

WhyFi

There's a lot of implausibles in this scenario. Most non-nerds have trouble fixing a conventional flat, but you've got a non-nerd unknowningly purchasing a $1k+ hookless, tubeless wheelset, determining the size and width of tire but failing to notice any other compatibility notes, and then successfully mounting, seating and getting an incompatible tire to hold air long enough to put them on the road.

Racing Dan

Why? You just stick a tube in there just like you always do .. If you dont know a "normal" rim should have a bead hook, you wont look for it or notice its not there, and then there is nothing to stop you from treating it just like any other rim. In that case you may decide to mount a clincher and tube, or a TL tyre, - Any TL tyre that may or may not be safe.

Racing Dan

No there is not. It might even be what happen to the man suing RH, assuming the RH tyre wasnt approved for hookless rims as was mentioned in an earlier post.

To you or me It wont happen, for sure, but assuming ppl with a fat wallet are also bike neds is asking for trouble.

GhostRider62

I had a Compass tubeless blow off tubeless hooked rims while sitting in the garage at a pressure under the rated limit. Sounds worse than a shotgun going off. Compass were unresponsive to my e-mails on the topic. Some years ago, I forget all the details. It seems they may have redesigned some of the casing since then. Wonderfully comfortable tires, I just wouldn't run them tubeless. I use latex tubes and keep the pressure well below specification limit. Sounds like the Plaintiff didn't get too hurt, thankfully

WhyFi

I guess we'll have to disagree.

That's not the way that I read the OP.

ppl with fat wallets that aren't bike neds pay bike neds to do their work for them.