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School me on Shimano hardware

Old 06-23-22, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by VegasJen

So based on just a cursory review of this link, the difference between Sora, Tiagra and Claris is the number of speeds? Is that correct?
That is one difference, but there are way too many differences between groups and generations of said groups to break it down to number of gears/speeds.

it's complicated, but in general the higher "up" the line, the quality and cost go up.
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"School me,," is a euphemism for "I'm too lazy to spend 15 minutes researching it myself..so you guys do the work and spoon feed me".
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I'm pretty sure Shimano makes hardware for catching schools of fish.
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Originally Posted by seypat
I'm pretty sure Shimano makes hardware for catching schools of fish.
Before I rode bikes other than as "toys," for lack of a better term, I had a Shimano reel and possibly arod. In fact, I remember being surprised to eventually learn that Shimano also made bicycle components. I thought it was strange that a fishing gear company had branched out into the bicycle business.

Can you school me on which business came first?

In any event, thanks for the memory jog.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Before I rode bikes other than as "toys," for lack of a better term, I had a Shimano reel and possibly arod. In fact, I remember being surprised to eventually learn that Shimano also made bicycle components. I thought it was strange that a fishing gear company had branched out into the bicycle business.

Can you school me on which business came first?

In any event, thanks for the memory jog.
School's in session. They also make rowing equipment in case you want to row your boat and fish for those schools.

https://best-spinningreels.com/shimano-reels-history/
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Mods, realize that I put up the fishing info so the thread wouldn't flounder.

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Originally Posted by seypat
Mods, realize that I put up the fishing info so the thread wouldn't flounder.
Tried and failed to resist posting the following joke-destroying pedantic correction (too many years as an editor correcting common misuses will do that):

"founder," not "flounder."
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Originally Posted by seypat
Mods, realize that I put up the fishing info so the thread wouldn't flounder.
Originally Posted by Trakhak
Tried and failed to resist posting the following joke-destroying pedantic correction (too many years as an editor correcting common misuses will do that):

"founder," not "flounder."
If you're going to be pedantic, you need to be correct; flounder is an intransitive verb in this form. seypat 's usage is just fine.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
Tried and failed to resist posting the following joke-destroying pedantic correction (too many years as an editor correcting common misuses will do that):

"founder," not "flounder."
flounder
verb
floundered; floundering\ ˈflau̇n-​d(ə-​)riŋ \Definition of flounder (Entry 2 of 2)

intransitive verb
1: to struggle to move or obtain footing : thrash about wildlyThe poor horse was floundering in the mud.
2: to proceed or act clumsily or ineffectuallythe normally surefooted governor floundered a moment like a prize pupil caught unpreparedTime


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Originally Posted by Koyote
If you're going to be pedantic, you need to be correct; flounder is an intransitive verb in this form. seypat 's usage is just fine.
Second day in a row. Yesterday it was fledging vs. fledgling.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
I'll remember this thread the next time I see one with posts from regulars congratulating each other on how endlessly warm, welcoming, and helpful they are to newcomers. I've been on this forum for quite a while, but I still haven't figured out which innocent questions will get the snarling responses from the gatekeepers, or why.
The objections come when it's clear that someone hasn't done any research at all. School yourself first, then ask questions. The topic of Shimano component hierarchy and differences are VERY well documented.

The information that people are giving the OP and the links being shared were all available in the first page of a Google search. Lazy? Lonely?
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Old 06-23-22, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Second day in a row. Yesterday it was fledging vs. fledgling.
ikr?

We need a Grammar and Usage subforum.
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Originally Posted by fishboat
"School me,," is a euphemism for "I'm too lazy to spend 15 minutes researching it myself..so you guys do the work and spoon feed me".
Unfortunately that is too common these days. I run into the same thing on fishing forums and fishing facebook groups I belong to. Nobody wants to the research anymore. They want to be spoonfed.

One simple google search that took less than 30 seconds yielded this. Not sure why the OP couldn't have done the same.

https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buy...-need-to-know/
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Originally Posted by prj71
Unfortunately that is too common these days. I run into the same thing on fishing forums and fishing facebook groups I belong to. Nobody wants to the research anymore. They want to be spoonfed.

One simple google search that took less than 30 seconds yielded this. Not sure why the OP couldn't have done the same.

https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buy...-need-to-know/
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Originally Posted by prj71
Unfortunately that is too common these days. I run into the same thing on fishing forums and fishing facebook groups I belong to. Nobody wants to the research anymore. They want to be spoonfed.
Can you school us (no pun intended) on Shimano fishing hardware?
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
Can you school us (no pun intended) on Shimano fishing hardware?
Sounds like a good parody thread. Do it!

I double-dog dare you to!
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
flounder
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floundered; floundering\ ˈflau̇n-​d(ə-​)riŋ \Definition of flounder (Entry 2 of 2)

intransitive verb
1: to struggle to move or obtain footing : thrash about wildlyThe poor horse was floundering in the mud.
2: to proceed or act clumsily or ineffectuallythe normally surefooted governor floundered a moment like a prize pupil caught unpreparedTime

I was going to search for a picture of Flounder myself but you beat me to it. So I will celebrate by throwing all my empty beer cans at the screen.
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Originally Posted by Koyote
If you're going to be pedantic, you need to be correct; flounder is an intransitive verb in this form. seypat 's usage is just fine.
Like the misuse of "jive" where "jibe" is clearly meant, such decisions are always contextual. The issue is whether some readers will be distracted by a particular choice of a word or phrase.

You're a careful writer, which means that you're a careful reader, so while you may not object to "flounder" in this context, there are any number of parallel examples that, at the very least, likely give you pause - particularly in cases where an older word is being supplanted gradually in common speech by another, similarly spelled word. I wonder where you stand on "jibe" versus "jive," for example. Or could you care less? (Joke.)
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I was going to search for a picture of Flounder myself but you beat me to it. So I will celebrate by throwing all my empty beer cars at the screen.
I actually spend a night in Cottage Grover, OR, during a supported bike tour in 2007. Cottage Grove is where the homecoming parade scenes were filmed. Went into town and walked down the very street where the parade was held. "May I have 10,000 marbles, please?" I took a photo of an old restaurant sign. The next time I watched the film at home I noticed that the sign appears on camera for a brief second.

BTW...Stephen Furst, the actor who played Kent Dorfman, died from diabetes-related complication 5 years and one week ago today.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
Like the misuse of "jive" where "jibe" is clearly meant, such decisions are always contextual. The issue is whether some readers will be distracted by a particular choice of a word or phrase.

You're a careful writer, which means that you're a careful reader, so while you may not object to "flounder" in this context, there are any number of parallel examples that, at the very least, likely give you pause - particularly in cases where an older word is being supplanted gradually in common speech by another, similarly spelled word. I wonder where you stand on "jibe" versus "jive," for example. Or could you care less? (Joke.)
I jibe with your jive, daddy-O.

As an editor, your job (I presume) was to help make writing accessible to an intended audience -- which might often involve word (and other) choices which would make less sense to people like me. But in seypat 's context, 'flounder' was a better choice than 'founder,' based on the actual dictionary definitions of the two words.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
...so while you may not object to "flounder" in this context...
The context was a damn word play fish joke.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
The context was a damn word play fish joke.
Precisely. And even without the fish joke, 'flounder' is the better word for the poster's message.
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Originally Posted by fishboat
"School me,," is a euphemism for "I'm too lazy to spend 15 minutes researching it myself..so you guys do the work and spoon feed me".
Originally Posted by prj71
Unfortunately that is too common these days. I run into the same thing on fishing forums and fishing facebook groups I belong to. Nobody wants to the research anymore. They want to be spoonfed.
Originally Posted by Jeff Neese
The objections come when it's clear that someone hasn't done any research at all. School yourself first, then ask questions.
Or perhaps, precocious masters of the universe who expect others whom they see only as subject area experts to present them with well organized "executive summaries" outlining an easy-to-follow decision tree before they deign to apply their precious genius to the subject at hand?

But not sure that the above corporate approach applies to a hobby!

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Originally Posted by datlas
That is one difference, but there are way too many differences between groups and generations of said groups to break it down to number of gears/speeds.

it's complicated, but in general the higher "up" the line, the quality and cost go up.
Thanks. That's the kind of thing I'm trying to figure out. Despite what some of the snobbish posters here are saying, I did go to the Shimano site first. And reading it, there is very little difference described between Sora, Claris and Tiagra. As pointed out, the biggest difference, or at least most notable, seems to be the number of speeds.

But I guess the real problem, at least for me, is that I rarely buy new. So that is a whole different issue when comparing Sora of 2010 to today's products (Oh! There's another one of those issues my betters didn't even consider!!! )
Originally Posted by prj71
Unfortunately that is too common these days. I run into the same thing on fishing forums and fishing facebook groups I belong to. Nobody wants to the research anymore. They want to be spoonfed.

One simple google search that took less than 30 seconds yielded this. Not sure why the OP couldn't have done the same.

https://www.bikeradar.com/advice/buy...-need-to-know/
Then you wouldn't have anything to complain about, now would you? Part of the reason I make posts is because this is aninteractive forum. The sharing of knowledge and ideas. You think I'm the only one now or in the future that's going to have these questions?
Not just that, but I'm asking for personal experiences. Not just marketing schtick. Something a couple of posters here hasn't picked up on. (ya, ya, I know. Preposition. Get over it.)
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Oh, God! You were a teacher??? That explains a lot.
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