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08-21-22, 01:02 PM
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To me it seems the problem of bike vs car is much deeper rooted in the U.S. The entire infrastructure is almost solely centered around car use and travel distances that are mainly achievable by car. (Even within towns, with most grocery shopping on the outskirts, instead of centralized around residential areas.) I feel both urban planning and an aging status quo are holding you back. This requires a mindset change, and it requires a ridiculous amount of momentum. (Maybe start small, experiment with tiny towns, see that it works, and move from there...) I'm kind of glad that somewhere in the 60's/70's around here (The Netherlands) the focus shifted from cars to 50/50 on cars and bikes. There are shortcomings here as well, but about 90% of the commute I ride, I am separated from cars entirely.
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08-22-22, 04:47 PM
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Aside from anecdotal evidence and our own experiences in school zones, how do we know that school zones are more dangerous than any other area with high concentration of both pedestrian and vehicular traffic?
Sure there are specific fatality and collision statistics for school zones in each city, state or province but how do they compare with CBD construction zones in those same cities, shopping centre and grocery parking lots, or airports right after an arrival?
Sure there are specific fatality and collision statistics for school zones in each city, state or province but how do they compare with CBD construction zones in those same cities, shopping centre and grocery parking lots, or airports right after an arrival?
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11-14-22, 02:50 PM
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I bet they do accident statistics and make some conclusions and axioms about risk areas. I am saying this from my experience as I have done some research on this. However, I opt for online lessons. I see an increasing number of accidents that endanger the lives of pupils. https://edubirdie.com/buy-assignment-online is a great support for those who choose home learning. I was homeschooling and when I had something unclear, I went to buy assignments online. It saved me a lot of time and explained a lot about topics I didn't understand. In a short time, the consequences of accidents for children can be avoided through online learning.
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11-15-22, 09:59 AM
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I am really conflicted about red light and speed cameras. They don't seem to punish the behaviors that are actually problems. The corporations that run them are cash-grabby and connive with the traffic authorities to invent some low-rent tricks that make them more profitable.
11-15-22, 11:39 AM
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Over in Austin it takes at least two deaths or more ta get some attention...
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11-15-22, 01:22 PM
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I read an amazing statistic: Out of all the kids who walk to school or ride a bike to school AND get hit by cars, half of them are hit by parents driving their kids to school. So these parents think they are avoiding danger by driving their kids, but really, they are creating the danger they think they are avoiding.
One morning I was out in the car. Stopped in traffic,saw a young mother of two small children install them both into the backseat of a Suburban. I thought about that huge gas sucking truck for two small kids. Would a sedan not do the job? Or is it more a case of I want a tank to drive around in to keep me and mine as safe as possible?
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11-15-22, 01:28 PM
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As I see it they are keeping their kids safe from other traffic and in effect transfering the danger to the kids that walk or ride bikes. Not sure, is that selfish or just antisocial? For sure it is not good for the air that we all breathe.
One morning I was out in the car. Stopped in traffic,saw a young mother of two small children install them both into the backseat of a Suburban. I thought about that huge gas sucking truck for two small kids. Would a sedan not do the job? Or is it more a case of I want a tank to drive around in to keep me and mine as safe as possible?
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One morning I was out in the car. Stopped in traffic,saw a young mother of two small children install them both into the backseat of a Suburban. I thought about that huge gas sucking truck for two small kids. Would a sedan not do the job? Or is it more a case of I want a tank to drive around in to keep me and mine as safe as possible?
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In observing people's behavior, I try not to be judgmental. (Really Tom, after your rant?) A person might have a legitimate reason to use a Suburban (most giant SUV) that isn't immediately apparent. The more important things are the trends and the incentives that cause the trends. I knew a woman who often transported her six kids in a Suburban. She got ticked off at all the anti-SUV rhetoric, and she had a good reason to be annoyed. My spouse has an SUV, though we use it for hauling construction supplies and occasionally things such as driving bikes to the state park. So we use it for SPORT and UTILITY, not commuting. And it has a 4-cylinder engine, so it's not a hog.
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11-15-22, 02:38 PM
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Legitimate utility is subjective. I live in the burbs and have a crew cab F150. I can take kid seats three abreast in the back, Vespa in the bed, bikes in the travel trailer.
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11-15-22, 04:02 PM
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Your view of it is fairly accurate, but it's worse than you depict it. The more parents drive, the more danger there is on the road.
In observing people's behavior, I try not to be judgmental. (Really Tom, after your rant?) A person might have a legitimate reason to use a Suburban (most giant SUV) that isn't immediately apparent. The more important things are the trends and the incentives that cause the trends. I knew a woman who often transported her six kids in a Suburban. She got ticked off at all the anti-SUV rhetoric, and she had a good reason to be annoyed. My spouse has an SUV, though we use it for hauling construction supplies and occasionally things such as driving bikes to the state park. So we use it for SPORT and UTILITY, not commuting. And it has a 4-cylinder engine, so it's not a hog.
In observing people's behavior, I try not to be judgmental. (Really Tom, after your rant?) A person might have a legitimate reason to use a Suburban (most giant SUV) that isn't immediately apparent. The more important things are the trends and the incentives that cause the trends. I knew a woman who often transported her six kids in a Suburban. She got ticked off at all the anti-SUV rhetoric, and she had a good reason to be annoyed. My spouse has an SUV, though we use it for hauling construction supplies and occasionally things such as driving bikes to the state park. So we use it for SPORT and UTILITY, not commuting. And it has a 4-cylinder engine, so it's not a hog.
I almost included it in my post...
My nephew and his wife have 4 kids and more than 100 pounds of dog or dogs. They drive a Suburban which makes perfect sense for them.
A goood friend and his wife drive the biggest Ford SUV. It hauls their family of 7.
I find it almost always makes the most sense to use the right tool for the job.
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11-16-22, 12:46 PM
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