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Old 01-31-23, 05:42 PM
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Cross chaining

The front shifter on my road bike stopped working after the bike sat for a month+ without use and the bike is stuck in the big ring. I live on a steep hill and am recovering from an injury, so I have to use the low end of the cassette a lot. After riding in this configuration for about two weeks the bike (3x8) is happiest in the largest 5 cogs (gears 1-5) and I hear lots of rubbing when using the high end. I need the low end to get home, so ive kept my speed down and don't use the high end.


My question is this, if I tried to use the high end aswell will that accelerate the wear on my gears to the point where they just need to be replaced? Naively, I think i've got the bike in a state where although its chronically cross chained there isn't significant friction and I hope that once the front shifter gets fixed it will be alright. I'm worried about the chain slipping off my gears when I get this fixed if i'm not gentle enough in the interim.

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Old 02-01-23, 08:51 AM
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They will wear out anyway at some point. And they aren't real expensive, unless you buy the top tier replacements. And for the most part you aren't wearing anything out that isn't going to be replaced. So for one point in time of your riding, will it hurt you to change them earlier?

You claim you are going to resolve the issue soon that makes you operate it in a way you don't care to. So just do what you need to do.
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Old 02-01-23, 09:03 AM
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And your front derailleur won't work...why? Shifters just don't stop working after a period of not being used.
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Originally Posted by smd4 View Post
And your front derailleur won't work...why? Shifters just don't stop working after a period of not being used.
This. Figure out what part of the front derailleur/cable housing/cable/shifter system isn't working and then look for YouTube videos that address the specific problem. If the part just needs lubrication, do that. If the part is damaged and needs to be replaced, do that.
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Old 02-01-23, 10:14 AM
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Until you fix it, you could set the limiting screw so the der. won't go past the middle cog. Then loosen and pull the cable tight, and re-tighten after you have set the limit, then the front der will be set for the middle cog only, which will make it easier for hills. I had to do this once when a front der. broke right before a ride.
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Old 02-01-23, 12:45 PM
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LarrySellerz threads are always .... Interesting.

This part: "The front shifter on my road bike stopped working after the bike sat for a month+ without use and the bike is stuck in the big ring." makes absolutely no sense. I have a rack of bikes and I sometimes don't rise one for many months. I pull one down, air up the tires, do a shake-and-rattle test, check the brakes, and ride. Derailleurs never fail to shift. Never in more than five decades.

So ... what is the Real story?

I thought you were okay with the guys at the shop because your father bought a bike there or something .... ride down there and ask them. They can answer while still working on other folks' bikes .... tell you cross-chaining is okay and also suggest what you might have done to the derailleur.

What have You tried to do with the derailleur?
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Old 02-01-23, 10:53 PM
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The derailleur clicks like it should, but the hanger doesn't move at all. The cable feels loose compared to the back one. It started acting up when winter started and the bike got wet, I would have to kick it with my heel to drop down to the little ring. I got a flat that I didn't fix for a month or 2 and the problem got worse. Ive tried for several hours and watched multiple videos trying to fix the derailleur and have given up. I don't want to take the bike to the shop yet because there are a bunch of little problems with it and I don't want to ask for free labor, and I was gifted another road bike that I intend on using when the weather gets better.

In the interim I would appreciate not wearing my components together in "weird" configurations that render them unusable (chains skips) under normal conditions. Im guessing that keeping it in the bad position but keeping it somewhat consistent is better than forcing the bike to use the full range with the big gear, but don't have much experience with this.
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I have you considered replacing the cable? Maybe you have a bend somewhere in the housing. I never has a shifter just stop working except for when I crashed and broke it.
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Larry... Really... You know this!

Cross Chaining Is Bad. It's not Disastrous, But it's bad.

When I am cross chaining, and yes I do, it is mostly because I was to lazy or unobservant to get into the right gears before I needed them...
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Old 02-02-23, 01:42 AM
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When the front shifter and/or front derailleur stop working properly, don't disassemble them and try to correct the problem. Instead, live with it and ask bikeforums how to use the bike as it wasn't intended.
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Old 02-02-23, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
The derailleur clicks like it should, but the hanger doesn't move at all. The cable feels loose compared to the back one.
The idea that maybe the cable frayed and then broke never crossed your mind?

The idea that you can easily change a cable never crossed your mind?

While it is different with every bike, you should be able to cross-chain without doing any harm and without, certainly hitting the derailleur cage. Adjust the FD with the limit screws.

6-7-8-speed chains are a little stiffer but I have run many 6-7-8 triples---still have a pair---and never had issues because of cross-chaining. Adjust the derailleurs and it shouldn't matter much at all,.

Ride on with peace of mind.
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Old 02-02-23, 05:52 AM
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Agree: the problem is almost certainly that the cable is frayed inside the housing or inside the shifter or the cable has corroded inside the housing or both. Buy new cable and housing and look at some videos for guidance in how to cut the housing to the right length, how to ream the cut end of the housing to ensure that the cable slides freely through, and how to readjust the derailleur once the cable and housing are in place.

On the other topic: cross-chaining doesn't matter, unless it does.

Small-ring-to-small-sprocket usually won't hurt anything (unless the rider uses that combination much of the time, promoting premature wear of the small sprocket, or the chain falls off frequently due to the windup spring in the rear derailleur being too relaxed, or the chain scrapes on the inner side of the outer ring, or backpedaling unships the chain, etc.).

Big-to-big also usually won't hurt anything, unless the chain is too short, in which case the consequences can be dire (broken rear derailleur, bent or broken derailleur hanger, etc.).
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
When the front shifter and/or front derailleur stop working properly, don't disassemble them and try to correct the problem. Instead, live with it and ask bikeforums how to use the bike as it wasn't intended.
Best answer yet.

Seriously, Larry, it sounds like you aren’t really mechanically inclined. Please don't kick your bike - ever. And also sounds like you don’t take care of your bike. Take your bike to a shop where they understand and appreciate your machine, and be prepared to pay for that service,

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Most common reason: FD is gummed up with grime, dirt and dried up Gatorade. Soap and water and a WD-40 bath.
Second: frayed or broken cable. Good to replace those periodically anyway.

But the quintessential BF response: New Bike.

You could have fixed this in less time than it took to write this question.
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Most common reason: FD is gummed up with grime, dirt and dried up Gatorade. Soap and water and a WD-40 bath.
Second: frayed or broken cable. Good to replace those periodically anyway.
+2

I tend to think most mechanical problems are caused by simple issues, you just have to get on them and when it's all fixed you'll be amazed by how simple it really was.

If all else fails, the fallback plan is to take it to the shop. Just remember, no shirt, no service.
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I'm a "science and engineering technician" at a lab, which pretty much means I build stuff and work with my hands all day. Its pretty embarassing that I can't fix my bikes, all things considered. My partner at work would roast me so hard for this thread, but it is what it is; wish I was better at bike maintenance but ive honestly tried with this bike, gave it my best shot.
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Explain, if you would, exactly, step by step (like a lab flow chart) what you did please.
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Have you tried unplugging and plugging your bike?
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So a few months ago I could get it to go from the smallest ring to the biggest ring and visa versa (couldn't go in the middle) and needed the assistance of my heel to get it to downshift. the shifter feels a tad "stuck" but still shifts through the clicks. Ive tried wiping the cable of debree and tightened a nut that I found attached to the cable but that didn't do anything. Previously the shifter had gotten stuck and when i forced it to shift it had some problems but I thought those resolved themselves on their own
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Have you lubed the springs on the derailleur and how many times have you kicked it. I mean, you might as well have used a 2 lb sledge hammer. Probable now you have bent the hell out of it and no matter what you do it not going to shift as it probably has something binding.


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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
gave it my best shot.
or ... kick.
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Originally Posted by jaxgtr View Post
Have you lubed the springs on the derailleur and how many times have you kicked it. I mean, you might as well have used a 2 lb sledge hammer. Probable now you have bent the hell out of it and no matter what you do it not going to shift as it probably has something binding.


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Kicking the derailleur to move it over is not that weird or uncommon, and it won't bend if you're careful to hit it dead on. Whats new to me is doing this to a bike where I care about the state of the drivechain. Normally when Ive had to do this its when dealing with bikes that have been abandoned.

I'm not just holding the bike down kicking it a bunch lols. IDK where to add lube to the derailleur, and have pretty much given up on fixing it and just want to ride the bike as is in the least damaging way.
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Kicking the derailleur to move it over is not that weird or uncommon.
There is something else I'd like to kick... and it ain't a derailleur.

Seriously, I feel like I've seen this movie before.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Kicking the derailleur to move it over is not that weird or uncommon,
In what universe? Do you have special Part Tools kicking boots?

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... IDK where to add lube to the derailleur, and have pretty much given up on fixing it and just want to ride the bike as is in the least damaging way.
Uh... as mentioned, the springs. They are pretty clearly visible when you look at them. They are all the rage these days in derailleur technology.
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Pfffft. Get a SA 3 speed with drum brake.
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