Helmets NOT made in China
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As a matter of principle, I don't drive my car for errands of fewer than 10 miles. So in "your book," if I use my car to pick up a nearby keg of beer or go to the library in a thunderstorm I no longer have a principle? That's absurd.
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Last year, ABUS bought an Italian helmet manufacturer.
https://www.bicycleretailer.com/inte...t-manufacturer
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I get it, but I need it to be at least somewhat competitive. This isn't a matter of I don't want to pay two or three hundred dollars. I literally don't have that kind of money to spend on a helmet. I'm currently an unemployed college student. My discretionary income is meager, to say the least. And I wouldn't mind buying German or Italian products. I know they can be competitive, I've worked in other industries in the past.
But why are there not more price competitive options from Taiwan or Honduras or Uganda? I'm pretty sure people in those nations would be happy to make helmets or baseballs or plastic spoons that are price competitive with China. Of course, I know the answer to this. It's just maddening.
But why are there not more price competitive options from Taiwan or Honduras or Uganda? I'm pretty sure people in those nations would be happy to make helmets or baseballs or plastic spoons that are price competitive with China. Of course, I know the answer to this. It's just maddening.
So since you know the answer, do tell.
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You asked me a question, and I answered it, complete with a supporting citation. If you choose to define the word "principle" differently (without support), have at it -- and I won't call it "absurd."
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Federal minimum wage went to $3.35/hr in 1981, so…you’re, like, a 55 year old, unemployed college student? That takes courage. Kudos.
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I'm just arguing your absurd assertion that making an exception to a principle renders it nonexistent. From the Cambridge English Dictionary: "if you agree with or believe something in principle, you agree with the idea in general, although you might not agree with all the details or support it in every situation." You're welcome to hold your absolutist view, but don't expect others to subscribe to it.
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The current federal minimum wage for tipped workers is $2.13 per hour — a rate that was set when it was last raised in 1991.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/sta...ge/tipped/2021
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/sta...ge/tipped/2021
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"Matter of principle" does normally imply some absolutes.
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The current federal minimum wage for tipped workers is $2.13 per hour — a rate that was set when it was last raised in 1991.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/sta...ge/tipped/2021
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/sta...ge/tipped/2021
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I'm just arguing your absurd assertion that making an exception to a principle renders it nonexistent. From the Cambridge English Dictionary: "if you agree with or believe something in principle, you agree with the idea in general, although you might not agree with all the details or support it in every situation." You're welcome to hold your absolutist view, but don't expect others to subscribe to it.
"In principle" has an entirely different meaning than "of principle".
"I won't x as a matter of principle" is an absolutist statement and has next to nothing to do with "I agree with x in principle", which is absolutely not an absolutist statement.
BTW VegasJen never claimed it was a matter of principle.
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I believe MET helmets are 100% made in Italy like KASK. KASK is easier to get here though as the distribution channels are in place. There is at least one retailer (Jenson) who sells a limited selection of MET (or did), but last I read QBP was awarded sole US distributorship last year. So, if your LBS has a QBP account they can order you one. Or, you can order from somewhere like Merlin over in the UK.
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Uvex “made in Germany” label
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I believe MET helmets are 100% made in Italy like KASK. KASK is easier to get here though as the distribution channels are in place. There is at least one retailer (Jenson) who sells a limited selection of MET (or did), but last I read QBP was awarded sole US distributorship last year. So, if your LBS has a QBP account they can order you one. Or, you can order from somewhere like Merlin over in the UK.
My MET Rivale has a made in China sticker. I am shocked it costs as little as it does since its travelled the world. made in China -> 'finished' in Italy -> Distributor in England -> used in Iowa.
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Hi
You can't go wrong with USA haha
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Mine has to be 10 years old at this point; it’s retired from sporting duty, but I keep it around as a spare and for when my kids’ friends come around and want to go for a ride. I reckon somethin’ old is better than nothing in those cases, and really, the quality on this Uvex (model F107, IIRC) is great, and it still looks in good condition, despite having been my main for many seasons.
Uvex “made in Germany” label
Uvex “made in Germany” label
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MET is designed in Italy, made in China, then finished and QC tested in Italy.
My MET Rivale has a made in China sticker. I am shocked it costs as little as it does since its travelled the world. made in China -> 'finished' in Italy -> Distributor in England -> used in Iowa.
My MET Rivale has a made in China sticker. I am shocked it costs as little as it does since its travelled the world. made in China -> 'finished' in Italy -> Distributor in England -> used in Iowa.
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I never argued that principles are immutable. I stated that I do not alter my principles (or deviate from them) in response to inconvenience or cost. Those are two very different things. (You should really review the definition of immutable before responding.)
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You buy a helmet made in Italy online through some European website, you're not supporting your local USA business, .... When you buy a helmet made in China sold through your local LBS at least you're supporting your local business here in North America.
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I find it interesting that many of us are discussing the "ethics" of "buying American" while buying bikes made outside of America. I include myself in this discussion. My ethics won't allow me to buy a Trek for what they did to Greg LeMond over his accusations of Lance's lying and cheating. I also won't buy Specialized thanks to their suit over the Roubaix LBS in Canada. And, so it goes.
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You buy a helmet made in Italy online through some European website, you're not supporting your local USA business, .... When you buy a helmet made in China sold through your local LBS at least you're supporting your local business here in North America.