TakingMyTime

Canyon Endurace CF SL 8 Di2 (what a mouthful) in Stealth Grey, size Medium

Only about 10 miles on it so I can't really speak to many of the features and ride quality other than it fits great and so far I'm very happy. Because of "supply chain" issues the Continental 5000 tires ended up be substituted with Goodyear F1 Tubeless (30mm) and at 80psi they feel like I'm riding in sand. I will be replacing them with some 25mm clinchers asap. One nice surprise was they threw in a 4iii NDS power meter. I like that it also acts as a Cadence Sensor so that I don't have to attach my Garmin sensor to the crank arm

I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this new technology. This is my first time with Di2 and Hydraulic brakes. Having 12 speeds is also pretty weird. There's just a lot to absorb.

The whole buying experience was great. I live near one of their warehouses and had it in 2 days. A few questions popped up during the assembly process but Canyon's online chat cleared those up right away.

alcjphil

Question: Did you set the tires up as tubeless or do you still have inner tubes? Riding road tubeless tires with inner tubes isn't the most efficient setup which could account for your "riding in sand" impression. When I received my Grizl in February the wheels were already taped and the tires were tubeless ready but supplied with inner tubes installed. I already had a couple of tubeless valves which I installed and made the conversion, took me about 20 minutes altogether.
I would say that you should first set these tires up the way they are supposed to be set up if you haven't done it already. I ride 700 x 28 tubeless on another bike and they are an improvement over the 700 x 25's I was using before(same make and model tire)

datlas 

Kudos

WhyFi

Those Goodyears got panned when they were released because of their relatively high rolling resistance... that said, that was compared to other top end tires, so they shouldn't be horrible in the grand scheme of things. I'd check whether or not tubes are in there and I'd also lower the pressure pretty significantly, unless you're a big dude.

Sy Reene

That is a nice surprise. It's stock on the SL8 "aero" model, maybe someone in the US assembly factory didn't notice they pulled the wrong sku ?

TakingMyTime

I was reading a thread in another forum and someone mentioned the same thing happening to them. Not the exact power meter but it was substantial. Others talked about Canyon throwing free t-shirts and other swag into the bike boxes before they shipped.

TakingMyTime

I will be removing the front wheel later today to deal with a squealing brake issue and will do a complete inspection. I'm leaning towards them having tubes installed since the valve stems do not seem to have any special locking rings that might also assist in leak prevention. The tires are only rated to 80psi and I've been running them around 75-78psi. On my previous bike I was riding 23mm clinchers bumped up to 90-100 depending on the day.. I weigh approximately 195.

alcjphil

I would bet that you already have inner tubes installed. "Locking rings" do not prevent leaks for tubeless tires. Leaks happen where the valve base connects with the rim floor. You can use any "locking ring " as long as it is tightened. The seal does not happen at the outside of the rim, it happens at the inside of the rim. The reason for special "locking rings" is that they have o rings that prevent them from loosening up from road vibrations
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genejockey 

Kudos on the Eundurace! I got one two years ago, the CF SL 7, with 105. It's fast, comfy, handles well - everything you want in a bike, really.

BTinNYC 

Congrats! I love mine.
The power meter is a really nice add-on.
I'm betting they ran out of regular cranksets along with the GP5000s.

TakingMyTime

You are correct. I'm just not sure if tube-less is for me. I'll probably be installing some 25 or 28mm clinchers on it shortly.

alcjphil

Tubeless is simply part of the learning curve on newer bikes and is easily reversed. I have been riding tubeless on the road for the last 12 years and it is just as easy to deal with as inner tubes.

terrymorse 

Agree to disagree.

WhyFi

I know, right? Tubeless is way easier.

masi61

But if you don't try your current tires full tubeless, then your impression of the ride quality of "like riding in sand" is going to be skewed. I have very inexpensive DT Swiss R460 rims set up tubeless on my 2x10 titanium road bike and the full tubeless implementation that I am running is much different than if there were tubes in there. Cornering, shock absorbtion, road feel are all excellent. You owe it to yourself to try it out. If you need assist to set them up tubelesss the first time, your local bike shop can help you. Once set up full tubeless, you may also safely lower the pressure to see what that does for you. Since you say the Pirelli's are 30mm, I would say that the pressures you are currently running them at would most certainly be quite a bit lower when set up full tubeless. Advantages to tubeless road tires extends beyond just flat prevention.

terrymorse 

<eye roll>

TakingMyTime

That is valid and point well taken. Logically I don't see any reason not to pull the tubes, put in new valves and some sealant. The investment would be minimal.

Sy Reene

Congrats on the new bike. I don't know how or why this thread though became a tubeless crusade. Just ride and figure it out. Goodyear tires... get anything else and you'll probably be golden.

alcjphil

Not sure about the tires you have, but many road tubeless tires will hold air without sealant. At least mine do and the tires on my gravel bike also hold air without sealant. When I converted my Grizl to tubeless, I simply deflated the tires, and then removed the inner tube, installed the valves and pumped them back up. I left the bike overnight and the tires were still fully inflated the next day. I did inject sealant through the valves because I was going to ride on unpaved roads and trails, but sealant wasn't needed so that the tires hold air. Canyon has a video on their website showing how to convert. If you just want to try your tires tubeless to see the difference all you might need is a couple of valves

Jrasero

Congrats and awesome bike. It wouldn't surprise me if the rotor was slightly bent and that's why you are getting the squeal

Sy Reene

Took another look today at Canyon's site.. is this a new color they're now offering in your bike model? Called "Frozen Yellow", I don't remember seeing this before.
SL8 Di2 FROZEN YELLOW

WhyFi

Frozen Yellow? Oof - bad name. That immediately brings to mind "don't eat the yellow snow."

TakingMyTime

I believe it's been out for some time. I did see one in this color in their showroom and the color looks much better in person than in pictures.

Sy Reene

Maybe it sounds better in native German.. Google translate tells me it might be called Gelb Gefroren

genejockey 

You gotta admit, though, it sounds better than the actual color, which is beige.