Forgive me fellow C&Vers, but I have sinned
03-22-21, 11:04 AM
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Yeah, what about the zero bikes? They will be sad.
03-22-21, 11:22 AM
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Reynolds 631 butted tig welded threadless Campy 10 speed Veloce brifted 2017 Raleigh RA...
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03-22-21, 01:54 PM
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The Zero Bike is for Bay Area usage. I'll use the Ritchey for recon for new areas to explore. Once they meet my approval, another Zero Bike will be moved. This keeps the inventory at the Atelier down to a reasonable level, and allows me to continue to add to the collection.
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03-22-21, 02:25 PM
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Anything with the name Ritchey, especially a frame is OK in my books! He is a classic and so the bike is too in my opinion. But seriously, it is a super nice frame and I'm sure you'll love it once you get everything dialed in.
03-22-21, 02:47 PM
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Good question about the fork. Anybody with Ritchey Breakaway history knowledge?
The Zero Bike is for Bay Area usage. I'll use the Ritchey for recon for new areas to explore. Once they meet my approval, another Zero Bike will be moved. This keeps the inventory at the Atelier down to a reasonable level, and allows me to continue to add to the collection.
The Zero Bike is for Bay Area usage. I'll use the Ritchey for recon for new areas to explore. Once they meet my approval, another Zero Bike will be moved. This keeps the inventory at the Atelier down to a reasonable level, and allows me to continue to add to the collection.
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03-22-21, 02:53 PM
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Looks like this one was kept.
03-22-21, 02:59 PM
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03-22-21, 03:01 PM
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Yep, I'll ride it like I stole it.
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03-22-21, 03:29 PM
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03-22-21, 03:44 PM
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Photo stolen shamelessly from Kevin Sayles over on the CR site
One could easily design these and have them laser cut or water jet. Silver braze them in place. Wondering if you could build up a bronze fillet over the silver. Alternative is to crank up the heat and bronze it all, which is the way things "used to be".
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03-22-21, 03:55 PM
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Great score!
That bike's going to be a lot of fun.
Welcome to the TIG club.
Brent
That bike's going to be a lot of fun.
Welcome to the TIG club.
Brent
03-22-21, 04:17 PM
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The Zero Bike is for Bay Area usage. I'll use the Ritchey for recon for new areas to explore. Once they meet my approval, another Zero Bike will be moved. This keeps the inventory at the Atelier down to a reasonable level, and allows me to continue to add to the collection.
03-22-21, 05:17 PM
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One might think, but the long seatpost connects the seat lug halves together, the flange at the bottom uses the same principal of a KF flange (look it up, they're common in vacuum applications in semiconductor industry) My experience with them is that they make a very stiff connection, so I wasn't worried about it. That and Ritchey's sold a lot of these with no issues.
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03-22-21, 06:19 PM
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That's a fine looking ride, no harm no foul.
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03-22-21, 09:35 PM
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I see what you did there!
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03-23-21, 06:37 AM
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I have been looking for a Raleigh Gran Prix from the last few years, they licensed a that setup from Ritchey for a couple of years.
Still TIG welded but looks similar, but ugly colors.
Still TIG welded but looks similar, but ugly colors.
03-23-21, 08:47 AM
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Hmm, that's not too far out of the question! Early English builders used "appliques" , stamped, thin sheet metal that was wrapped around the tube. Here's an example from Hetchins:
Photo stolen shamelessly from Kevin Sayles over on the CR site
One could easily design these and have them laser cut or water jet. Silver braze them in place. Wondering if you could build up a bronze fillet over the silver. Alternative is to crank up the heat and bronze it all, which is the way things "used to be".
Photo stolen shamelessly from Kevin Sayles over on the CR site
One could easily design these and have them laser cut or water jet. Silver braze them in place. Wondering if you could build up a bronze fillet over the silver. Alternative is to crank up the heat and bronze it all, which is the way things "used to be".
...but hey, if Dario Pegoretti can sell TIG-welded frames, I think you'll be okay.
There's a lot of love for the breakaway cross frames over on Paceline. They seem like great bikes as long as you don't mind the higher bottom bracket. And hard to beat for travel.
03-23-21, 07:46 PM
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Oh, and the pictures that I can find of orange Ritchey Breakaway Cross bikes all have black carbon forks. I don't know what the story is with your steel fork.
03-23-21, 08:58 PM
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I've found some from years back where it appears to have steel forks, but they're not high enough resolution to be sure. At any rate, I might just build a new fork for it with skinnier, more compliant blades, and a bit more offset to counteract the weight of a handlebar bag filled for a credit card tour. I just picked up a cool fork crown from Andy Newlands that would go well with this frame.
Great minds and all that.
Andy designed these and the rear version with help from Spenser Houser, cast by Long Shen.
Dave was able to clearance the crown to make room for the 32's, he cut out the casting knob and fabbed in a piece to make it quite elegant to my eye.
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Seems much more recent than it was, but I once transgressed - though only for a season. Fr Ramos convinced me to part ways with this unwieldy abomination.
I learned that I must have lugs to survive. I shall pray for all who have transgressed.
I learned that I must have lugs to survive. I shall pray for all who have transgressed.
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I've found some from years back where it appears to have steel forks, but they're not high enough resolution to be sure. At any rate, I might just build a new fork for it with skinnier, more compliant blades, and a bit more offset to counteract the weight of a handlebar bag filled for a credit card tour. I just picked up a cool fork crown from Andy Newlands that would go well with this frame.
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As for your sin, now.
No worries..
I think with all the good works that you're done for us C&V'rs you must certainly have been awarded an Indulgence.