You think rim brake, direct mount will return?
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I had BB7s on my first disc equipped bike for about 2 weeks, I thought they were fine. Then I installed hydraulic brakes. Way better. But, definitely the BB7s worked, much better than rimmers.
Maintenance is not tedious, not for Shimano. Agreed, definitely not difficult.
Maintenance is not tedious, not for Shimano. Agreed, definitely not difficult.
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Because all I can say is that's just, like, your opinion, man.
(* Not anti-disc. Just not convinced they're the greatest thing since pockets on a shirt, or that your bike sucks if you still have rim brakes.)
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I've noticed in cycling, while trends come and some leave, they often come around again, like steel getting more popular again, or when press fit was constantly touted by the big brands being so superior, well, BSA is back.
I wonder if rim/direct mount be the same, after a few years of big brands trying shove disc brake down our throats to point of refusing to make rim brake versions of their road bikes, it will come back in a few years?
What you think?
I wonder if rim/direct mount be the same, after a few years of big brands trying shove disc brake down our throats to point of refusing to make rim brake versions of their road bikes, it will come back in a few years?
What you think?
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Yeah, that's definitely how manufacturers market new stuff. <eye-roll>
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The bike manufacturers offered both vanilla and chocolate, and people chose chocolate by a 10:1 ratio. The "manufacturers shoved disc brakes down our throats" theory assumes 90% of the bike-buying population is incapable of making objective decisions about buying vanilla or chocolate.
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Toss them in the round file with the chainstay u-brakes
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Yes, they'll probably toss a few into the new bike mix just so they can chuckle at all the forum talk it'll create.
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The bike manufacturers offered both vanilla and chocolate, and people chose chocolate by a 10:1 ratio. The "manufacturers shoved disc brakes down our throats" theory assumes 90% of the bike-buying population is incapable of making objective decisions about buying vanilla or chocolate.
Some of these "chocolate (disc brake) tastes so much better" phrases, pulled from a current web page of one manufacturer:
- lightweight
- powerful
- precision
- additional tire clearance
- reliability
- most significant new technology for road bikes
- versatility
- superior stopping power
- require minimal maintenance
- benefits all road riders
- improved braking modulation
- work in any conditions
- a major innovation in the category
- a must if you imagine exploring more rugged terrain
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Being a long term mountain biker, I was already pretty sold on disc brakes. So for me it was an easy choice when I went back to road bikes and I was actually quite pleased to see disc brakes on the menu. Roadie friends who have only recently discovered disc brakes really like them too. I don't know anyone who has used discs planning to go back to rim brakes, but I'm sure there will be an exception here on BF though, lol. It seems to me that most people kicking against disc brakes haven't even used them. All sorts of talk of problems and additional maintenance that is massively exaggerated.
Back to the question of manufacturers going back to rim brakes? IMHO not a chance except in very niche circumstances. A better question might be how long will high-end group sets even include rim brake options?
Back to the question of manufacturers going back to rim brakes? IMHO not a chance except in very niche circumstances. A better question might be how long will high-end group sets even include rim brake options?
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As soon as bike manufactures began offering chocolate (disc brakes), they told consumers that this new chocolate flavor tastes so much better than vanilla that only a fool would keep eating vanilla.
Some of these "chocolate (disc brake) tastes so much better" phrases, pulled from a current web page of one manufacturer:
Some of these "chocolate (disc brake) tastes so much better" phrases, pulled from a current web page of one manufacturer:
- lightweight
- powerful
- precision
- additional tire clearance
- reliability
- most significant new technology for road bikes
- versatility
- superior stopping power
- require minimal maintenance
- benefits all road riders
- improved braking modulation
- work in any conditions
- a major innovation in the category
- a must if you imagine exploring more rugged terrain
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Quite literally from an hour to a year. Do a wet CX race w/ resin pads, they'll be toast before the end of a 1 hr race. Ride in the dry and don't descend a ton...they last forever.
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As soon as bike manufactures began offering chocolate (disc brakes), they told consumers that this new chocolate flavor tastes so much better than vanilla that only a fool would keep eating vanilla.
Some of these "chocolate (disc brake) tastes so much better" phrases, pulled from a current web page of one manufacturer:
Some of these "chocolate (disc brake) tastes so much better" phrases, pulled from a current web page of one manufacturer:
- lightweight
- powerful
- precision
- additional tire clearance
- reliability
- most significant new technology for road bikes
- versatility
- superior stopping power
- require minimal maintenance
- benefits all road riders
- improved braking modulation
- work in any conditions
- a major innovation in the category
- a must if you imagine exploring more rugged terrain
I'm not seeing this happening with disc brakes. Most people love them and don't have problems.
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Which is not how the consumer economy works. Manufacturers hype products, and the bulk of consumers buy into the hype. Then manufacturers come up with a new product/feature, and hype that one.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Your argument is based on manufacturers offering rim brakes and disc brakes as equally useful options, letting the consumer make an objective decision over which they prefer.
Which is not how the consumer economy works. Manufacturers hype products, and the bulk of consumers buy into the hype. Then manufacturers come up with a new product/feature, and hype that one.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Which is not how the consumer economy works. Manufacturers hype products, and the bulk of consumers buy into the hype. Then manufacturers come up with a new product/feature, and hype that one.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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They essentially already have. Try to find a new high-end road bike with rim brakes.
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Your argument is based on manufacturers offering rim brakes and disc brakes as equally useful options, letting the consumer make an objective decision over which they prefer.
Which is not how the consumer economy works. Manufacturers hype products, and the bulk of consumers buy into the hype. Then manufacturers come up with a new product/feature, and hype that one.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Which is not how the consumer economy works. Manufacturers hype products, and the bulk of consumers buy into the hype. Then manufacturers come up with a new product/feature, and hype that one.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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If disc brakes were better in every way, then it would benefit consumers to phase out rim brakes.
But they are not.
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They don't have to be better in every way -- the benefits just have to outweigh the negatives.
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You're asking us to accept that they're in it for the money, while also asking us to accept that they're leaving money on the table by colluding with other manufacturers in phasing out highly sought-after rim brake bikes.
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Meanwhile, back on Earth...
Trek website lists one entry level road bike with rim brakes, for $1000.
Specialized offers 3 low end models from $1000 to $1500.
Not a single high-end model with rim brakes.
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2. The marketing hype worked, no need for collusion.
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I would totally agree that the talk of problems is exaggerated, similar to the talk of problems with tubeless tires. If you don't want tubeless (or discs), don't get them. You'll be turning your back on some nice benefits. Conversely, if you think disc brakes (or tubeless tires) are the bee's knees... congrats on finding something that works well for YOU. Others may have valid alternative opinions.
In any case, we'll probably never see rim brakes make a big comeback on high end road bikes. We'll almost certainly see hydraulic discs trickle down all the way to the disposable WalMart junk that passes for bikes.
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What this really tells you is the current demand for rim brakes. I know you are going to just say that the manufacturers have made the choice for you. But it doesn't really work that way round because there is no monopoly. If rim brakes were superior, the market would move that way because of the competition. A manufacturer offering those superior rim brakes would soon dominate and all their competitors would soon have to follow suit to survive. All that has happened is that disc brakes (which are the end game for pretty much all vehicle braking systems) have inevitably found their way onto bicycles, starting with mtb and now moving to road.
Having used both rim brakes and disc brakes extensively, I know which I prefer. I don't need to read any marketing, I've experienced them both first hand. Luck would have it that all frames now come with my preferred choice of brakes. It doesn't mean rim brakes are rubbish. But I prefer disc brakes for numerous reasons, as do most other consumers.
Having used both rim brakes and disc brakes extensively, I know which I prefer. I don't need to read any marketing, I've experienced them both first hand. Luck would have it that all frames now come with my preferred choice of brakes. It doesn't mean rim brakes are rubbish. But I prefer disc brakes for numerous reasons, as do most other consumers.
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