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Rack trunk & small panniers / fold-up combo unit or medium saddlebag out back, plus a reasonably-sized handlebar bag seems just right to me.
Probably because that's what I've got on my Fuji. Topeak folding-pannier trunk and a Roswheel three-velcro-strap bag on the bars.
--Shannon
PS: While my League Fuji is a great sport-touring bike, it's not HoF-worthy. If they'd made a bike with the 9658 tubeset from the Team and the Club / League geometry, that bike would be a strong contender for inclusion... the 1769 pipes are a teeny bit too heavy and stiff for perfection.
Probably because that's what I've got on my Fuji. Topeak folding-pannier trunk and a Roswheel three-velcro-strap bag on the bars.
--Shannon
PS: While my League Fuji is a great sport-touring bike, it's not HoF-worthy. If they'd made a bike with the 9658 tubeset from the Team and the Club / League geometry, that bike would be a strong contender for inclusion... the 1769 pipes are a teeny bit too heavy and stiff for perfection.
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What are your picks for the all time great sport touring frames? I'm (very casually) thinking about a new project in this vein. In the past, I've owned a Trek 600 (great but too big) and a Specialized Sequioa (also great but too big). The Specialized was Miyata made and really stuck out to me and I would definitely snap up another if I could find one.
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Add panniers, sleeping bag, tent and cooking gear, call it a pure tourer.
Just my opinion.
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Comparing rack trunk + small handlebar bag to big handlebar bag + seat wedge, storage space and number of racks are about the same, I'd think. There seems to be a difference in handling, but also people seem to prefer one or the other and I doubt anyone could predict which one they like better until they've ridden both... and I haven't, so take that for what it's worth. Aesthetically, though the bags are gorgeous, the big front / small rear setup has always looked unbalanced to my eye. Oddly, the reverse, big rear / no front, doesn't push my asymmetry button much at all.
To me, there's a (small) distinction between "sport-touring bike" and "French-style rando bike".
I guess I wanna say, "siblings, not twins."
--Shannon
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Austro Daimler called a series of bikes "fast touring".
Vent Noir and Olympian used 531 butted tubing, 73* head angle, single set of eyelets at dropouts&forkends
Vent Noir and Olympian used 531 butted tubing, 73* head angle, single set of eyelets at dropouts&forkends
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By "rando bag", do you mean the big, boxy, beautiful French-style bags with small front rack and decaleur?
Comparing rack trunk + small handlebar bag to big handlebar bag + seat wedge, storage space and number of racks are about the same, I'd think. There seems to be a difference in handling, but also people seem to prefer one or the other and I doubt anyone could predict which one they like better until they've ridden both... and I haven't, so take that for what it's worth. Aesthetically, though the bags are gorgeous, the big front / small rear setup has always looked unbalanced to my eye. Oddly, the reverse, big rear / no front, doesn't push my asymmetry button much at all.
To me, there's a (small) distinction between "sport-touring bike" and "French-style rando bike".
I guess I wanna say, "siblings, not twins."
--Shannon
Comparing rack trunk + small handlebar bag to big handlebar bag + seat wedge, storage space and number of racks are about the same, I'd think. There seems to be a difference in handling, but also people seem to prefer one or the other and I doubt anyone could predict which one they like better until they've ridden both... and I haven't, so take that for what it's worth. Aesthetically, though the bags are gorgeous, the big front / small rear setup has always looked unbalanced to my eye. Oddly, the reverse, big rear / no front, doesn't push my asymmetry button much at all.
To me, there's a (small) distinction between "sport-touring bike" and "French-style rando bike".
I guess I wanna say, "siblings, not twins."
--Shannon
Mark G. used his fork re-raking expertise (and much more) on the stock Miyata fork so that the bikes handle quite similarly with comparable loads. But it is worth noting that with the now-low trail fork, which is vital for a front-loaded bike, it can easily handle large variations in load, from an empty bag to full with packed front panniers with no appreciable change in steering or handling. I was amazed when I first tried it with full panniers.
Miyata 912 with Gugificazione!
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Here's my recently acquired 1982 Lotus Classique. Tange Champion #2 tubing, built by Tsunoda. Shimano 600 Arabesque groupset with a long cage derailleur and 13-32 6-speed cassette.
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You know, when I saw the title of this thread the first bike that came to mind was my Sequoia, but I see it was already here.
It fits me perfectly, BTW.
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I’m going to throw this Miyata 610 on the list, picked it up last night for $90. Not my first, but definitely the least I’ve paid for one. I’m still amazed that such high quality bikes can still be bought for so little money.
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Also a fan of what the Internationals have going on.
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I've used it for bikepacking:
PA/NJ/NY bikepacking your
Credit-card touring:
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And weekend fast fifties:
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Yeah, I wonder how much it's a form vs. function distinction. For instance, lots of people have done loaded touring on bikes not OEM equipped for such us, and plenty ride dedicated tourers (e.g., Surly LHT) on weekend fast fifties. And then there are bikes designed to be "all-rounders," straddling a bunch of classifications. A contemporary version of that is my Black Mountain Cycles Road.
I've used it for bikepacking:
PA/NJ/NY bikepacking your
Credit-card touring:
Untitled
And weekend fast fifties:
Untitled
I've used it for bikepacking:
PA/NJ/NY bikepacking your
Credit-card touring:
Untitled
And weekend fast fifties:
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I've read that some consider the Sequoia the best production sports tourer ever made.
@Andy_K says it's his 7-iron, the only truly safe club in his bag.
@Andy_K says it's his 7-iron, the only truly safe club in his bag.
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I've read that some consider the Sequoia the best production sports tourer ever made.
@Andy_K says it's his 7-iron, the only truly safe club in his bag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVfIhrHTs5M
@Andy_K says it's his 7-iron, the only truly safe club in his bag.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVfIhrHTs5M
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I moved back to 700c when I built my 650B Grand Jubilé, but I've got a spare set of 650B wheels now. I may go back to that configuration some day.
Mine required a bit of extra drop for the rear brake, even with the long reach Tektros.
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This “Hall of Fame” seems to feature volume-built bikes. No excuses are needed, except perhaps for mine that are anything but.
But I’m surprised no owner of a French randonnuese (spelling?) has posted, nor one of the fine more recent US versions such as J. P. Weigle, Mark Nobillette, M.A.P., Jeff Lyon/L’Avecaise, and so forth. Seems to me that the French really pioneered and developed the sport touring bike back in the 30’s-70’s, and those Americans are continuing a very worthy pursuit.
We should acknowledge @gugie’s contributions. I guess I touched on that earlier, and his variations on the Raleigh Gran(d) Sport(s), “Big Red” and many more in other’s hands deserve visibility in this HoF.
But I’m surprised no owner of a French randonnuese (spelling?) has posted, nor one of the fine more recent US versions such as J. P. Weigle, Mark Nobillette, M.A.P., Jeff Lyon/L’Avecaise, and so forth. Seems to me that the French really pioneered and developed the sport touring bike back in the 30’s-70’s, and those Americans are continuing a very worthy pursuit.
We should acknowledge @gugie’s contributions. I guess I touched on that earlier, and his variations on the Raleigh Gran(d) Sport(s), “Big Red” and many more in other’s hands deserve visibility in this HoF.
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Well I of course put this in the other sport tourer thread and had resisted putting it here but now think I will.
EDIT- turns out it went in the top of the line thread.
As indicated many times, it was built for Paris-Brest-Paris but not taken for being a bit small, pretty sure that ride is the epitome of sports touring so.....
Here it is again.
EDIT- turns out it went in the top of the line thread.
As indicated many times, it was built for Paris-Brest-Paris but not taken for being a bit small, pretty sure that ride is the epitome of sports touring so.....
Here it is again.
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This “Hall of Fame” seems to feature volume-built bikes. No excuses are needed, except perhaps for mine that are anything but.
But I’m surprised no owner of a French randonnuese (spelling?) has posted, nor one of the fine more recent US versions such as J. P. Weigle, Mark Nobillette, M.A.P., Jeff Lyon/L’Avecaise, and so forth. Seems to me that the French really pioneered and developed the sport touring bike back in the 30’s-70’s, and those Americans are continuing a very worthy pursuit.
We should acknowledge @gugie’s contributions. I guess I touched on that earlier, and his variations on the Raleigh Gran(d) Sport(s), “Big Red” and many more in other’s hands deserve visibility in this HoF.
But I’m surprised no owner of a French randonnuese (spelling?) has posted, nor one of the fine more recent US versions such as J. P. Weigle, Mark Nobillette, M.A.P., Jeff Lyon/L’Avecaise, and so forth. Seems to me that the French really pioneered and developed the sport touring bike back in the 30’s-70’s, and those Americans are continuing a very worthy pursuit.
We should acknowledge @gugie’s contributions. I guess I touched on that earlier, and his variations on the Raleigh Gran(d) Sport(s), “Big Red” and many more in other’s hands deserve visibility in this HoF.
@Andy_K is my publicist, I need to acknowledge you as my P.R. person. Man, payroll is going to be upset...
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This “Hall of Fame” seems to feature volume-built bikes. No excuses are needed, except perhaps for mine that are anything but.
But I’m surprised no owner of a French randonnuese (spelling?) has posted, nor one of the fine more recent US versions such as J. P. Weigle, Mark Nobillette, M.A.P., Jeff Lyon/L’Avecaise, and so forth. Seems to me that the French really pioneered and developed the sport touring bike back in the 30’s-70’s, and those Americans are continuing a very worthy pursuit.
We should acknowledge @gugie’s contributions. I guess I touched on that earlier, and his variations on the Raleigh Gran(d) Sport(s), “Big Red” and many more in other’s hands deserve visibility in this HoF.
But I’m surprised no owner of a French randonnuese (spelling?) has posted, nor one of the fine more recent US versions such as J. P. Weigle, Mark Nobillette, M.A.P., Jeff Lyon/L’Avecaise, and so forth. Seems to me that the French really pioneered and developed the sport touring bike back in the 30’s-70’s, and those Americans are continuing a very worthy pursuit.
We should acknowledge @gugie’s contributions. I guess I touched on that earlier, and his variations on the Raleigh Gran(d) Sport(s), “Big Red” and many more in other’s hands deserve visibility in this HoF.