Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Wheels

Old 08-10-15, 09:31 AM
  #1  
radwilko
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 28
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Wheels

Hey All

After commuting daily along the canal path my rear wheel has finally packed it in so I'm on the hunt for a new pair of wheels.
Any advice or suggestions?
I want a nice pair that will suit the bike and not set me back too much! Worried that vintage wheels might not last too long so maybe new is the way to go??

Bike is here

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...-upgrades.html

Thanks !
radwilko is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 09:47 AM
  #2  
SJX426 
Senior Member
 
SJX426's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Fredericksburg, Va
Posts: 9,579

Bikes: '65 Frejus TDF, '73 Bottecchia Giro d'Italia, '83 Colnago Superissimo, '84 Trek 610, '84 Trek 760, '88 Pinarello Veneto, '88 De Rosa Pro, '89 Pinarello Montello, '94 Burley Duet, 97 Specialized RockHopper, 2010 Langster, Tern Link D8

Mentioned: 73 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1607 Post(s)
Liked 2,213 Times in 1,103 Posts
@radwilko - what is "packed it in" mean?
1. Out of true?
2. Broken spokes?
3. Damaged rim?
4. Failed hub bearings?
__________________
Bikes don't stand alone. They are two tired.
SJX426 is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 09:49 AM
  #3  
radwilko
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 28
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SJX426
@radwilko - what is "packed it in" mean?
1. Out of true?
2. Broken spokes?
3. Damaged rim?
4. Failed hub bearings?
Means dead. Haha It's out of true and they've already been fixed twice. So I think it's overdue that they were replaced
radwilko is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 10:44 AM
  #4  
79pmooney
Senior Member
 
79pmooney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 12,891

Bikes: (2) ti TiCycles, 2007 w/ triple and 2011 fixed, 1979 Peter Mooney, ~1983 Trek 420 now fixed and ~1973 Raleigh Carlton Competition gravel grinder

Mentioned: 129 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4790 Post(s)
Liked 3,916 Times in 2,547 Posts
If the hub is in good shape why not just rebuild the wheel with new spokes and rims? It looks to me like you could use Mavic Open Pro rims and the look wouldn't be that different. Document the lacing of the current spoke pattern so it can be duplicated and the same notches in the hub flange used again. There are several good books on wheel building out there and many coops, etc offer classes.

Open Pros are (I'm guessing, haven't bought one for several years) ~$70 each. Spokes might cost you $50. $10 for rim strips. You can build the wheels yourself. (Stick to the original spoke pattern and your clumsiest efforts won't hurt the hub at all.) Building wheels, once learned, is a lifelong skill like riding a bicycle, is fun and saves a lot of money. Wheel building tools you will need: A good spoke wrench that matches your spokes. Stick to the excellent Wheelsmith or Swiss DT spokes and you will use the black handled Park spoke wrench. ($8?) A truing stand is nice but quality really doesn't matter. I have been building first class wheels for 30 years on a really cheap stand. A $150 Park would be a pleasure but wouldn't improve the wheels I've built. Or you can build the wheels using your brake pads for reference. I raced on wheel built that way. If you do not get a really high end stand, a $25 dishing tool is needed (or you can make you own out of wood or metal and nut and bolt).

So $70 X 2 + $50 + 10 (rims, spokes and rimstrips) + $8 + $50 (a cheap stand) + $25 = $283 for your first two wheels. Next wheel: $100. (I am assuming you have already spent the $5 for a suitable bicycle grease to lube the threads and rim eyelets. The Park green, Campy and a whole lot of others work just fine.) And with good work, you will be able to replace rims worn out from braking or that have seen bad things by simple taping the new rim to the old, swapping over the spokes and truing. $70 for a wheel that rides like brand new.

Ben
79pmooney is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 11:22 AM
  #5  
ramzilla
Senior Member
 
ramzilla's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Fernandina Beach FL
Posts: 3,604

Bikes: Vintage Japanese Bicycles, Tange, Ishiwata, Kuwahara

Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 700 Post(s)
Liked 322 Times in 252 Posts
I've put these on three bikes so far. Very good value. Can't imagine how they sell these so cheap. Only thing I don't like is the alloy quick release lever on the skewer. Usually just put the old steel quick releases back on. ..............

WheelMaster 27" Road Wheel Set - Sun Cr18 Rim, 36H, 5/6/7-Speed FW, QR, Silver
ramzilla is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 11:31 AM
  #6  
Velocivixen
Senior Member
 
Velocivixen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: The Great Pacific Northwest
Posts: 4,513
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 400 Post(s)
Liked 37 Times in 26 Posts
@radwilko - are you up for wheel building? I know that's not what you asked, but it can be fun. I learned from the book called The Wheel by Jobst Brandt. After about 8 wheels I took a 3 day class, which taught me some more specifics & fine tuned my skills. Anyway I ended up unlacing my 27" wheels, using the original hub & laced to 700c rims and they look appropriate to the bike.

If not, then you can check places like Niagara bikes for vintage-y wheel sets.
Velocivixen is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 12:46 PM
  #7  
Bianchigirll 
Bianchi Goddess
 
Bianchigirll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In
Posts: 27,845

Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.

Mentioned: 192 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2925 Post(s)
Liked 2,921 Times in 1,489 Posts
I am with Ramzilla's suggestion. If your commuting (are these trails paved or just hard packed dirt?) a good set of 36h box section rims will give you a good ride and be pretty durable.

Sun/Shimano CR18 Wheel Set 700c Silver

BTW nice commuter.

__________________
One morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"

Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
Bianchigirll is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 12:50 PM
  #8  
oouellette
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Batavia IL
Posts: 378

Bikes: '86 Madison + '86 Prelude + '93 Mulitrack + '20 Cross Check

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 40 Post(s)
Liked 76 Times in 13 Posts
I had a custom set built by this company and am very happy with it:

CUSTOM HAND BUILT BICYCLE WHEELS Built By Professionals - Prowheelbuider.com
oouellette is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 03:37 PM
  #9  
mtnbke
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Boulder County, CO
Posts: 1,511

Bikes: '92 22" Cannondale M2000, '92 Cannondale R1000 Tandem, another modern Canndondale tandem, Two Holy Grail '86 Cannondale ST800s 27" (68.5cm) Touring bike w/Superbe Pro components and Phil Wood hubs. A bunch of other 27" ST frames & bikes.

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 110 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
I like Mavic rims, because of the history. However, Velocity makes some great rims. We have a Velocity Chukker 48h in 622 (700c) on our tandem, and its probably the strongest bicycle wheel ever built. Certainly the strongest that Peter White has ever used and he specializes in touring/tandem wheels. I have a 48h 27" Velocity Dyad on my vintage Cannondale now.

I prefer 630 (27") rims on my vintage Cannondales. There is nothing inherently "better" about the 622 (700c) size over 630 (27"). Its like the 650b resurgence. If you talked about going from 622 to 584 in that language instead of saying going from 700c to 650b, half the conversions wouldn't happen. For large frame sizes over 58cm, it makes no sense to downgrade the wheel set from 630 (27") to 622 (700c). I have big bikes and I hate how small the wheels look even with the 630s.

Back in the day most non-racing bikes were spec'd 36h in the front and 40h in the rear. While spokes have gotten much better rims were good back in the day already (Mavic Module and Super Champion). For a commuter hard on wheels you can't get more rim than a Velocity Chukker. However, I'd stick with 630 if that is what the bike originally fit.
mtnbke is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 03:46 PM
  #10  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 17,146
Mentioned: 481 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3803 Post(s)
Liked 6,639 Times in 2,602 Posts
Originally Posted by mtnbke
For large frame sizes over 58cm, it makes no sense to downgrade the wheel set from 630 (27") to 622 (700c). I have big bikes and I hate how small the wheels look even with the 630s.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but more important to me is the issue of availability of high quality tires. Much more to choose from in 700c.
nlerner is offline  
Old 08-10-15, 08:11 PM
  #11  
PBC peugeot
Junior Member
 
PBC peugeot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: roads & trails
Posts: 181

Bikes: 1972 Raleigh international, 1975 Raleigh professional, 1978 ALAN criterium, 1981 Pinnarello Traviso

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 34 Post(s)
Liked 31 Times in 22 Posts
rims are a consumable, like tires, tubes, cables
a good hub will outlast many many rims
lace up a new set of quality 700c rims on your old hubs
repack the bearings,and keep on riding,
PBC peugeot is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
skinnycyclist
Bicycle Mechanics
2
07-29-16 07:22 AM
_ForceD_
Bicycle Mechanics
4
02-28-16 10:15 AM
vespoli
Bicycle Mechanics
7
02-07-14 05:55 PM
Myosmith
Bicycle Mechanics
24
11-28-12 12:55 PM
Smallguy
Bicycle Mechanics
3
09-23-10 02:30 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.