Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Fifty Plus (50+)
Reload this Page >

Wireless computer interference

Notices
Fifty Plus (50+) Share the victories, challenges, successes and special concerns of bicyclists 50 and older. Especially useful for those entering or reentering bicycling.

Wireless computer interference

Old 11-01-22, 05:50 PM
  #1  
davethelefty
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
davethelefty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Melbourne, Florida
Posts: 146

Bikes: Canyon Endurace CF SL, Cannondale Topstone 6, Co-op Cycles CTY 1.1

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 84 Post(s)
Liked 99 Times in 34 Posts
Wireless computer interference

FIle this problem under the "Who knew?" category.

As the days grow shorter I'm riding at night more and more. I have a Niterider headlight/taillight set that I'm using and it gives me good lighting for my rides. Separately I noticed that my Cateye wireless computer wasn't working. Checked the battery, all's good. Then I discovered that half way through a recent ride my computer quit working, and that perhaps coincided with my turning my headlight on.

Sure enough I was able to confirm. So I went to the Cateye instructions (who reads 'em, anyway???) and it specifically says that a battery powered light can interfere with use of the computer. I guess the light blasts out EMI that disrupts the wireless sensor sending signals to the head unit. The computer itself still works but it's not getting any signal from the sensor. Who knew?

So now I have to move things around and see if I can solve the problem. Or build a Faraday cage for the headlight!! Does anyone know if battery powered lights interfere with GPS units? That may be my alternative...
davethelefty is offline  
Old 11-01-22, 06:01 PM
  #2  
Trsnrtr
Super Modest
 
Trsnrtr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 23,456

Bikes: Trek Emonda, Giant Propel, Colnago V3, Co-Motion Supremo, ICE VTX WC

Mentioned: 107 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10957 Post(s)
Liked 4,613 Times in 2,118 Posts
I know neon lights interfere. My wife parked her bike under a Silver Bullet sign and came back to find a max speed of 94.1 mph.
__________________
Keep the chain tight!







Trsnrtr is offline  
Likes For Trsnrtr:
Old 11-01-22, 06:02 PM
  #3  
cb400bill
Forum Moderator
 
cb400bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Posts: 20,626

Bikes: Fuji SL2.1 Carbon Di2 Cannondale Synapse Alloy 4 Trek Checkpoint ALR-5 Viscount Aerospace Pro Colnago Classic Rabobank Schwinn Waterford PMount Raleigh C50 Cromoly Hybrid Legnano Tipo Roma Pista

Mentioned: 58 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3084 Post(s)
Liked 6,560 Times in 3,763 Posts
A rider in my group has to run her headlight in the ON selection instead of blinking as in blinking mode it blocks her Cateye.
__________________












cb400bill is offline  
Old 11-01-22, 07:12 PM
  #4  
MoAlpha
• —
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Land of Pleasant Living
Posts: 12,213

Bikes: Shmikes

Mentioned: 59 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10147 Post(s)
Liked 5,840 Times in 3,144 Posts
Originally Posted by davethelefty
FIle this problem under the "Who knew?" category.

As the days grow shorter I'm riding at night more and more. I have a Niterider headlight/taillight set that I'm using and it gives me good lighting for my rides. Separately I noticed that my Cateye wireless computer wasn't working. Checked the battery, all's good. Then I discovered that half way through a recent ride my computer quit working, and that perhaps coincided with my turning my headlight on.

Sure enough I was able to confirm. So I went to the Cateye instructions (who reads 'em, anyway???) and it specifically says that a battery powered light can interfere with use of the computer. I guess the light blasts out EMI that disrupts the wireless sensor sending signals to the head unit. The computer itself still works but it's not getting any signal from the sensor. Who knew?

So now I have to move things around and see if I can solve the problem. Or build a Faraday cage for the headlight!! Does anyone know if battery powered lights interfere with GPS units? That may be my alternative...
In the maritime world LED lights are notorious for causing electrical interference, which is said to affect GPS as well as VHF comms and AIS. Good shielding is key.
MoAlpha is offline  
Likes For MoAlpha:
Old 11-01-22, 08:36 PM
  #5  
spelger
Senior Member
 
spelger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: reno, nv
Posts: 2,296

Bikes: yes, i have one

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1134 Post(s)
Liked 1,179 Times in 686 Posts
To change LED brightness a technique called pulse width modulation is used at a relatively high frequency. Likely this is the cause of interference.
spelger is offline  
Likes For spelger:
Old 11-01-22, 09:18 PM
  #6  
gkamieneski
Full Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: New Hampshire
Posts: 485

Bikes: Pinarello Gavia TSX; Bianchi Intenso

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 164 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 92 Times in 62 Posts
Found this same problem myself with a Cateye Padrone Smart and a Niterider headlamp. You can sometimes solve it by moving the Niterider farther away from the computer along the bars.

I solved my problem with a GPS unit. Also the Bluetooth/ANT+ speed sensor, connected to the computer, was not impacted by the frequency of he Niterider.
gkamieneski is offline  
Old 11-02-22, 07:02 AM
  #7  
BobbyG
Senior Member
 
BobbyG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 5,968

Bikes: 2015 Charge Plug, 2007 Dahon Boardwalk, 1997 Nishiki Blazer, 1984 Nishiki International, 2006 Felt F65, 1989 Dahon Getaway V

Mentioned: 54 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1362 Post(s)
Liked 1,674 Times in 827 Posts
Originally Posted by davethelefty
...Or build a Faraday cage for the headlight!!
Then you'd be a "cager".
BobbyG is offline  
Likes For BobbyG:
Old 11-02-22, 08:38 AM
  #8  
Iride01 
I'm good to go!
 
Iride01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 14,945

Bikes: Tarmac Disc Comp Di2 - 2020

Mentioned: 51 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6172 Post(s)
Liked 4,789 Times in 3,305 Posts
See what you learn when you read instructions and all the other stuff they give you!

Video camera's like a GoPro also sometimes are a problem. But just like lights, it's rare evidently. I've never had an issue I could pin on lights or camera. But if you are having issues you should eliminate various things one at a time until you find the culprit and then once found, see if you can move things around to let them work harmoniously.
Iride01 is offline  
Old 11-02-22, 09:30 AM
  #9  
davethelefty
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
davethelefty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Melbourne, Florida
Posts: 146

Bikes: Canyon Endurace CF SL, Cannondale Topstone 6, Co-op Cycles CTY 1.1

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 84 Post(s)
Liked 99 Times in 34 Posts
Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
I know neon lights interfere. My wife parked her bike under a Silver Bullet sign and came back to find a max speed of 94.1 mph.
That is funny. When we travel we sometimes bring a small desktop fan for white noise. My wife once left her Fitbit on a night stand with that fan running. When she put her Fitbit on the next morning she had 25,000 steps.
davethelefty is offline  
Old 11-02-22, 09:31 AM
  #10  
davethelefty
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
davethelefty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Melbourne, Florida
Posts: 146

Bikes: Canyon Endurace CF SL, Cannondale Topstone 6, Co-op Cycles CTY 1.1

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 84 Post(s)
Liked 99 Times in 34 Posts
Update: moving the headlight and the Cateye so they're about 2" apart seems to have resolved the problem. I originally had the headlight so close to the Cateye that it was actually touching it -- okay, not the smartest move on my part.

Issue resolved without the need to build a Faraday cage.
davethelefty is offline  
Old 11-02-22, 10:13 AM
  #11  
Trsnrtr
Super Modest
 
Trsnrtr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Central Illinois
Posts: 23,456

Bikes: Trek Emonda, Giant Propel, Colnago V3, Co-Motion Supremo, ICE VTX WC

Mentioned: 107 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10957 Post(s)
Liked 4,613 Times in 2,118 Posts
Originally Posted by davethelefty
That is funny. When we travel we sometimes bring a small desktop fan for white noise. My wife once left her Fitbit on a night stand with that fan running. When she put her Fitbit on the next morning she had 25,000 steps.
I saved a pic of my wife’s max speed. A friend had something similar recently while parked near another neon beer sign.


__________________
Keep the chain tight!







Trsnrtr is offline  
Old 11-02-22, 10:35 AM
  #12  
rsbob 
Grupetto Bob
 
rsbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Seattle-ish
Posts: 6,177

Bikes: Bikey McBike Face

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2560 Post(s)
Liked 5,591 Times in 2,901 Posts
This thread is not just for 50+ but the General category since it could impact the youngens too
__________________
Road 🚴🏾‍♂️ & Mountain 🚵🏾‍♂️







rsbob is offline  
Old 11-02-22, 01:04 PM
  #13  
spelger
Senior Member
 
spelger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: reno, nv
Posts: 2,296

Bikes: yes, i have one

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1134 Post(s)
Liked 1,179 Times in 686 Posts
Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
I saved a pic of my wife’s max speed. A friend had something similar recently while parked near another neon beer sign.


Originally Posted by rsbob
This thread is not just for 50+ but the General category since it could impact the youngens too
i doubt it, i don't think they can go as fast as us.
spelger is offline  
Likes For spelger:
Old 11-03-22, 08:13 AM
  #14  
_ForceD_
Sr Member on Sr bikes
 
_ForceD_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Rhode Island (sometimes in SE Florida)
Posts: 2,320

Bikes: Several...from old junk to new all-carbon.

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1017 Post(s)
Liked 782 Times in 413 Posts
Years ago, when I briefly tried using a wireless heart rate monitor, with the wristwatch receptor, while riding a road bike with a wired computer, I discovered that the magnetic for the computer on the front wheel would cause interface when I had my hands on the bar drops.

This issue has me wondering if/how RF interference would affect wireless shifting.

Dan
_ForceD_ is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.