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Old 12-01-22, 06:48 AM
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Arrgh

EDIT: I just read further down the C&V page and saw that there's already a thread on Velocals closing.

First Vintage-Trek and now Velocals.....What Velocal Type Do I Need

My World is Crumbling

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Velocals is closing??!! Nooo!!!
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Originally Posted by Korina
Oh, and PS It seems Skip is a nickname; I couldn't quite understand the first name the rep gave. A proper first name might help in finding him, if anyone knows.
I suspect his first name is Douglas. I matched up this contact info on skipechert.com (via the Wayback Machine)

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with a web search for "Echert, Renton WA" and landed here:

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That has a lot of overlap with the information on his site, so I think it's the same person. Traversing back in time for skipechert.com on the Wayback Machine is instructive. There was one snapshot where the contents of his server files were exposed (basic directory listing, not a web page). This obviously has nothing to do with vintage bikes, just interesting for nerds like me who have dabbled on the web. If you do this sort of thing, it's instructive to see what can leak out if you're not careful.
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MODERATION NOTE: I removed personal information about the individual in the post above. Even though it’s information readily available online, there’s no need to publish it here and does nothing to contribute to the original issue.
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Any new updates specifically pertaining to the wellbeing of Douglas C. Echert?

Any success in reaching family members or friends?

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Originally Posted by StanSeven
MODERATION NOTE: I removed personal information about the individual in the post above. Even though it’s information readily available online, there’s no need to publish it here and does nothing to contribute to the original issue.
Fine, but note that it was all publically available.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
Any new updates specifically pertaining to the wellbeing of Douglas C. Echert?

Any success in reaching family members or friends?

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Not so far. My next step would be to send a postcard or make a phone call. I'm quite hesitant to do the latter.
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Originally Posted by smontanaro
Not so far. My next step would be to send a postcard or make a phone call. I'm quite hesitant to do the latter.
Given the situation and what we do know, I don't think either is out of the question.

Calling is much less of an imposition if it's in the spirit of making sure someone is OK when there are many signs that suggest otherwise.

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Originally Posted by smontanaro
I suspect his first name is Douglas. I matched up this contact info on skipechert.com (via the Wayback Machine)

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with a web search for "Echert, Renton WA" and landed here:

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That has a lot of overlap with the information on his site, so I think it's the same person. Traversing back in time for skipechert.com on the Wayback Machine is instructive. There was one snapshot where the contents of his server files were exposed (basic directory listing, not a web page). This obviously has nothing to do with vintage bikes, just interesting for nerds like me who have dabbled on the web. If you do this sort of thing, it's instructive to see what can leak out if you're not careful.
And if you scroll to the very bottom of the site's front page, it's right there. ::facepalm::
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Originally Posted by smontanaro
Not so far. My next step would be to send a postcard or make a phone call. I'm quite hesitant to do the latter.
Call the business phone. Not an imposition. If it really bothers you, I'd be happy to call.
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I tried the business number, got a fax machine or modem. I waited awhile to see if it would give up and transfer to voice, but it never did. I then called the cell phone and left a voice mail.
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Originally Posted by smontanaro
I tried the business number, got a fax machine or modem. I waited awhile to see if it would give up and transfer to voice, but it never did. I then called the cell phone and left a voice mail.
I’ve tried multiple ways to contact family
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Originally Posted by VintageTrek
I’ve tried multiple ways to contact family
Where does that leave us? Should we send a letter to the Renton address asking for permission to use the existing content?

I reconstituted the site on my web server and privately asked a few people to "check my work." I've not released the URL broadly. I've been loathe to do that because the original site is clearly copyrighted.
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Here is the solution to all your problems.

Go to this site......

https://www.restoration.bike/bike-ca...#Trek_Catalogs

Bring up whatever catalog you want. Hit your basic "Download" button on your browser. Go to your download folder and you will notice a nice pdf file of what you just downloaded. Create a dedicated folder on your PC of Mac (ugh), move all these pdf files into that folder at your convenience and rename them in a manner that makes sense for you.

Now you have them forever (unless your machine crashes and you don't have a backup)!!!!
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Originally Posted by cpsqlrwn
Here is the solution to all your problems.

Go to this site......

https://www.restoration.bike/bike-ca...#Trek_Catalogs
True, if all your problems were lack of Trek catalogs/brochures. vintage-trek.com has/had lots of other stuff, pix of interesting Trek bikes, tables of component dates, Trek serial number decoder, that sort of thing. Personally, all I ever used was the component dates page and the serial number decoder. Until I rebuilt the website I had no idea there were so many PDFs (I count 185).
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Originally Posted by smontanaro
True, if all your problems were lack of Trek catalogs/brochures. vintage-trek.com has/had lots of other stuff, pix of interesting Trek bikes, tables of component dates, Trek serial number decoder, that sort of thing. Personally, all I ever used was the component dates page and the serial number decoder. Until I rebuilt the website I had no idea there were so many PDFs (I count 185).
Losing the serial decoder hurts.
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Originally Posted by shoota
Losing the serial decoder hurts.
These are working for me.......

Serial numbers======> https://web.archive.org/web/20210425...ialNumbers.htm

Models, Years, Colors======> https://web.archive.org/web/20210421...l_numbers1.htm

Get a 7 day free trial to Adobe Acrobat and convert these htm webpages to pdf files and then you never have to worry about getting future access to these with Wayback Machine. On the serial number page, you will also have to convert each dedicated serial number page from the embedded chart (TABLE I 1980-1986) if you are selecting from the serial number range that fits the number you are looking for. Those individual pages in the chart show all the size and model information for each specific serial number.

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Originally Posted by cpsqlrwn
Here is the solution to all your problems.

Go to this site......

https://www.restoration.bike/bike-ca...#Trek_Catalogs

Bring up whatever catalog you want. Hit your basic "Download" button on your browser. Go to your download folder and you will notice a nice pdf file of what you just downloaded. Create a dedicated folder on your PC of Mac (ugh), move all these pdf files into that folder at your convenience and rename them in a manner that makes sense for you.

Now you have them forever (unless your machine crashes and you don't have a backup)!!!!
A brief note: the scans there are nice, but they're not necessarily 100% complete. Specifically, the 1985 Touring catalog there appears to be missing the page that listed the 470 and 660S. I found that page in the version of the Trek catalog at the Retrobike site.

My frame, which I initially thought to be either a 1985 or 1986 400 - turned out to be a 1985 470.
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Originally Posted by Hondo6
A brief note: the scans there are nice, but they're not necessarily 100% complete. Specifically, the 1985 Touring catalog there appears to be missing the page that listed the 470 and 660S. I found that page in the version of the Trek catalog at the Retrobike site.

My frame, which I initially thought to be either a 1985 or 1986 400 - turned out to be a 1985 470.
Responding to your post, I am not familiar with the 660S, only the 660 which is a racing model one step below the 760 and is included in the racing catalog. The models/years/colors sheet does not show that 660S model either. I use serial numbers first and then model/years/colors (assuming original paint which on older Treks is pretty much the norm) to validate models and years. Relative to your 400, the model/years/colors sheet shows the 85 to be "blue with white or yellow decals, also scarlet" while the 470 would be black with red decals. Is one of those combinations your bike's colors and is the paint original? Below is the model/years/colors sheet from wayback machine...... have a look. Below that is the serial number sheet for 1985. Often a serial number for the early part of one year can actually be in the latter part of the prior year's list as production for an upcoming year often started before a current model year had actually ended. That would be an explanation if your serial number actually predates the 1985 list.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210512...l_numbers1.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20210512...erialNos85.htm

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Originally Posted by cpsqlrwn
Responding to your post, I am not familiar with the 660S, only the 660 which is a racing model one step below the 760 and is included in the racing catalog. The models/years/colors sheet does not show that 660S model either. I use serial numbers first and then model/years/colors (assuming original paint which on older Treks is pretty much the norm) to validate models and years. Relative to your 400, the model/years/colors sheet shows the 85 to be "blue with white or yellow decals, also scarlet" while the 470 would be black with red decals. Is one of those combinations your bike's colors and is the paint original? Below is the model/years/colors sheet from wayback machine...... have a look. Below that is the serial number sheet for 1985. Often a serial number for the early part of one year can actually be in the latter part of the prior year's list as production for an upcoming year often started before a current model year had actually ended. That would be an explanation if your serial number actually predates the 1985 list.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210512...l_numbers1.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20210512...erialNos85.htm
Already found those pages, thanks. Info there verified by Ser No that the frame I have acquired is a 1985 470, not a 400. Based on the serial number it was also likely manufactured in Spring of 1985 and thus almost certainly an 85 model. Paint and decals also match the catalog photo.

Catalog containing the 1985 660S and 470 can be found at

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2...985_20trek.pdf

It's the first bike in the touring section of that catalog scan. The 660S is the second bike pictured on the same page. Specifications for each are on the next page following the photos.

According to the catalog link you posted on the restoration.bike site, the 470 is listed as a Trek touring model and was made in only 4 years: 1985, 1996, 1997, and 1998. I think the folks at restoration.bike may have missed scanning a page or two in the touring section of the1985 catalog (or perhaps the catalog they scanned was missing a page). Fortunately, the Retrobike site had a scan of the 1985 Trek catalog containing those pages.

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Originally Posted by Hondo6
According to the catalog link you posted on the restoration.bike site, the 470 is listed as a Trek touring model and was made in only 4 years: 1985, 1996, 1997, and 1998. I think the folks at restoration.bike may have missed scanning a page or two in the touring section of the1985 catalog (or perhaps the catalog they scanned was missing a page). Fortunately, the Retrobike site had a scan of the 1985 Trek catalog containing those pages.
Thanks for the info. I have never seen those pages in the catalogs on the vintage Trek site and I have accessed that site for probably 15 years. I would consider these two models (470 and 660S) to be more sport models than touring as they certainly do not have the elongated wheel base that exists on the touring models 620 and 720. Their specs mirror the Trek Elance models of 86, 87, & 88. If you look at the charts, the wheelbase length of the 470 and 660S tend more toward the racing side than the touring side. Again, thanks for the info. Very interesting.
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Originally Posted by cpsqlrwn
Thanks for the info. I have never seen those pages in the catalogs on the vintage Trek site and I have accessed that site for probably 15 years. I would consider these two models (470 and 660S) to be more sport models than touring as they certainly do not have the elongated wheel base that exists on the touring models 620 and 720. Their specs mirror the Trek Elance models of 86, 87, & 88. If you look at the charts, the wheelbase length of the 470 and 660S tend more toward the racing side than the touring side. Again, thanks for the info. Very interesting.
Yeah, I saw that too. But the restoration.bike site clearly lists the 85, 96, 97, and 98 470 as touring bikes. Go figure.

Maybe that categorization for the 470 is a mistake re: 1985 (haven't checked the other years). Or perhaps the reason is simply one of those "sacred mysteries" we mere mortals aren't allowed to know.
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Originally Posted by Hondo6
It's the first bike in the touring section of that catalog scan. The 660S is the second bike pictured on the same page. Specifications for each are on the next page following the photos.

According to the catalog link you posted on the restoration.bike site, the 470 is listed as a Trek touring model and was made in only 4 years: 1985, 1996, 1997, and 1998. I think the folks at restoration.bike may have missed scanning a page or two in the touring section of the1985 catalog (or perhaps the catalog they scanned was missing a page). Fortunately, the Retrobike site had a scan of the 1985 Trek catalog containing those pages.

In this link you can see the 470 and 660s is simply a page gotten out of order during scanning.

The racing models have a background under the model numbers in red and touring purple. You can also see the next purple touring page under the page the 470/660S are on. The next page clearly says "racing specifications" for the 470/660S. The "Touring Models" title page got scanned out of order a couple pages sooner than it should have. All clearly came out of a 3 ring binder. No mystery involved

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2...985_20trek.pdf
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In this link you can see the 470 and 660s is simply a page gotten out of order during scanning.

The racing models have a background under the model numbers in red and touring purple. You can also see the next purple touring page under the page the 470/660S are on. The next page clearly says "racing specifications" for the 470/660S. The "Touring Models" title page got scanned out of order a couple pages sooner than it should have. All clearly came out of a 3 ring binder. No mystery involved

https://www.retrobike.co.uk/gallery2...985_20trek.pdf
Make perfect sense to me. But that doesn't explain why the restoration.bike site lists the 1985 470 as a touring model vice a racing model. That's the "sacred mystery"- or perhaps mistake - I was referring to.


Edited to add: the same "mystery" may well apply to the 96, 97, and 98 Trek 470s, too. They appear to be more road/sport than touring bikes, but the same site also characterizes them as touring models.

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Originally Posted by Hondo6
Make perfect sense to me. But that doesn't explain why the restoration.bike site lists the 1985 470 as a touring model vice a racing model. That's the "sacred mystery"- or perhaps mistake - I was referring to.


Edited to add: the same "mystery" may well apply to the 96, 97, and 98 Trek 470s, too. They appear to be more road/sport than touring bikes, but the same site also characterizes them as touring models.
I suspect it is just human error. Looking through those scans Trek seems to locate the 470 at the end of road, beginning of touring and says "upgrade from 420" and nominally Trek in that era X20 models were touring. All else points to the 420 and 470 being the entry level road bikes with more road than touring geometry and features. Like you said, sport touring like my old 87 400T. I also noticed in some of those late 90's catalogs "Road touring" showing 5020, 5000, and similar racing bikes which could also confuse people.
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