SPOILER - Tour De France history avoided for politics in Paris?
07-18-21, 01:19 PM
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SPOILER - Tour De France history avoided for politics in Paris?
Are my eyes lying to me or did Marc Cavendish stand up for a split second at the just the right time to allow Wout Van Aert to win the last stage in of the Tour De France in Paris? Eddy Merckx is a legend of the sport of cycling and Cavendish did not even have a contract this year; he got in on a fluke because another rider got injured. He tied Merckx with 34 wins but was the politics of the sport more important than a historical win? I have a DVR and can replay the event. Cavendish hesitates in what looks like a bogus amateur move.
07-18-21, 01:35 PM
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Thanks for the spoiler.... 
You know there are bb codes you can use to hide spoiler info. Or just put the word "spoiler" in your thread title.
You know there are bb codes you can use to hide spoiler info. Or just put the word "spoiler" in your thread title.
07-18-21, 01:43 PM
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Sorry if I spoiled something for you. I recorded it so I would not have to watch ads and posted that well after the race was finished.
07-18-21, 01:55 PM
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I try to keep from reading or listening to any current stuff that might give it away. I even filter off the emails from the TdF and other cycling mags that give away the results to a separate folder I can look at after I watch the stage and before the next one ends.
But without my having seen it, I can imagine it happening. Wout's a Belgian like Merckx. So in the back of Cav's mind, he might be trying to curry favor with Merckx. Also probably guarantees he will be at the next TdF.
Though he might have just went too soon and tired or thought he was far enough ahead... which I doubt.
This was stage 21 right?
And from your title, I was expecting older history and maybe something to do with the Eifel Tower just opening back up. Shame on me for not realizing you were talking about history that just barely has been around long enough for most to think of as history.
And why isn't this in the Professional Cycling For the Fans
Where I might have been more cautious about reading the thread.
I'll get over it.... let's have a beer!
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07-18-21, 01:59 PM
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I don't watch the stage till evenings when everyone is home to enjoy it.
I try to keep from reading or listening to any current stuff that might give it away. I even filter off the emails from the TdF and other cycling mags that give away the results to a separate folder I can look at after I watch the stage and before the next one ends.
But without my having seen it, I can imagine it happening. Wout's a Belgian like Merckx. So in the back of Cav's mind, he might be trying to curry favor with Merckx. Also probably guarantees he will be at the next TdF.
Though he might have just went too soon and tired or thought he was far enough ahead... which I doubt.
This was stage 21 right?
And from your title, I was expecting older history and maybe something to do with the Eifel Tower just opening back up. Shame on me for not realizing you were talking about history that just barely has been around long enough for most to think of as history.
I'll get over it.... let's have a beer!.
I try to keep from reading or listening to any current stuff that might give it away. I even filter off the emails from the TdF and other cycling mags that give away the results to a separate folder I can look at after I watch the stage and before the next one ends.
But without my having seen it, I can imagine it happening. Wout's a Belgian like Merckx. So in the back of Cav's mind, he might be trying to curry favor with Merckx. Also probably guarantees he will be at the next TdF.
Though he might have just went too soon and tired or thought he was far enough ahead... which I doubt.
This was stage 21 right?
And from your title, I was expecting older history and maybe something to do with the Eifel Tower just opening back up. Shame on me for not realizing you were talking about history that just barely has been around long enough for most to think of as history.
I'll get over it.... let's have a beer!
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Nice spoiler Ray...thanks.
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How about we wait until the next day to post race information. Sure, I can understand if one is excited to discuss exciting events, but please be considerate of others and give them adequate time to watch the race.
Or as mentioned earlier, put the word SPOILERS in the thread title.
Or as mentioned earlier, put the word SPOILERS in the thread title.
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And why isn't this in the Professional Cycling For the Fans
Where I might have been more cautious about reading the thread.
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Where I might have been more cautious about reading the thread.
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[QUOTE=Ray9;22147055]Are my eyes lying to me or did Marc Cavendish stand up for a split second at the just the right time to allow Wout Van Aert to win the last stage in of the Tour De France in Paris?[/QUOTE]
He stopped pedaling when SPER PHILIPSEN went to the left and squeezed him out.
Cav has don it many times. He pounded the bars in disappointment as he crossed the line. That tells his mood.
Please don't start a conspiracy theory.
He stopped pedaling when SPER PHILIPSEN went to the left and squeezed him out.
Cav has don it many times. He pounded the bars in disappointment as he crossed the line. That tells his mood.
Please don't start a conspiracy theory.
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Between this and your brakes thread, you’re on a roll.
07-18-21, 04:41 PM
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I don’t get why you’d think Wout van Aert was “allowed” to win that. It wasn’t just some random guy who won- it’s freakin’ Wout van Aert, who was ahead of Cavendish for most of the lap, no?
Also, how does letting a Belgian win the stage today help Cavendish vis a vis Merckx - like, he wants to win the all-time stage record, but wants to do so slightly more slowly so as to spare Eddy’s feelings?
I watched the end and I saw Cav a bit squeezed and van Aert just powered steadily… serious question: do you have a video clip of the “hesitation” moment you’re talking about??
Also, how does letting a Belgian win the stage today help Cavendish vis a vis Merckx - like, he wants to win the all-time stage record, but wants to do so slightly more slowly so as to spare Eddy’s feelings?
I watched the end and I saw Cav a bit squeezed and van Aert just powered steadily… serious question: do you have a video clip of the “hesitation” moment you’re talking about??
07-18-21, 04:56 PM
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I was watching the sprint unfold and saw a few problems with Cav's positioning, his lead out man, and his response time. I also observed two hesitations as if he was avoiding the rear wheel of Wout.
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Wout, there it is!
07-18-21, 06:47 PM
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I apologize for the spoiler thing but I stand by my observation that Cav hesitated. Sagan would have ridden through a pinhole to win and make that kind of history.
07-18-21, 06:57 PM
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07-18-21, 07:08 PM
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Cav had nowhere to go and got boxed in and almost ran into van Aert so he had to let up. His mistake is not moving right with yards before the finish when he had the opportunity. Had he moved right instead of staying straight and even moving left a little, he might had walked away with a win. Plus he went ahead of his leadout man with 200m to 300m to go didn't he? Two bad mistakes cost him this win. van Aert played it cool and took the win.
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07-18-21, 07:30 PM
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Are my eyes lying to me or did Marc Cavendish stand up for a split second at the just the right time to allow Wout Van Aert to win the last stage in of the Tour De France in Paris? Eddy Merckx is a legend of the sport of cycling and Cavendish did not even have a contract this year; he got in on a fluke because another rider got injured. He tied Merckx with 34 wins but was the politics of the sport more important than a historical win? I have a DVR and can replay the event. Cavendish hesitates in what looks like a bogus amateur move.
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07-18-21, 07:50 PM
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Cavendish followed the wrong wheel and got boxed in.He should have stuck with his lead out man.
His boss will probably have him back next year and if he has good results and proper form he will get another chance. He’s good for your brand when he wins.
His boss will probably have him back next year and if he has good results and proper form he will get another chance. He’s good for your brand when he wins.
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There's definitely something fishy about that stage finish. If you watch it frame-by-frame, there's a point where you can just make out the following in the cobbles:
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Cavendish does hesitate for a moment with around 50M to go. I noticed this too. It's because he had nowhere to go.
Cavendish is on Van Aert's wheel with Philipsen on the right, and the barriers on the left. Tunnesien is doing the lead out for WvA. When Tunnesien pulls off with 200 to go, Philipsen has to go right of him. Cavendish sees/senses that and tries to go around WvA at the same time, but there's no room on the left and Philipsen got around Tunnesien and re-established himself on the right side of Van Aert before Cavendish could make that move. It was at that point that Cavendish hesitated for just a moment and then decides he can only go on the left, but by then it was too late... WvA and Philipsen were already pulling away.
Cavendish could've avoided all of this by riding his own lead-out train instead of trying to follow WvA. I have no idea why he didn't follow Morkov around the last corner, but maybe he thought Morkov didn't have the legs to do a strong enough lead-out. Once he jumped onto WvA's wheel, it was pretty much over for him.
Cavendish is on Van Aert's wheel with Philipsen on the right, and the barriers on the left. Tunnesien is doing the lead out for WvA. When Tunnesien pulls off with 200 to go, Philipsen has to go right of him. Cavendish sees/senses that and tries to go around WvA at the same time, but there's no room on the left and Philipsen got around Tunnesien and re-established himself on the right side of Van Aert before Cavendish could make that move. It was at that point that Cavendish hesitated for just a moment and then decides he can only go on the left, but by then it was too late... WvA and Philipsen were already pulling away.
Cavendish could've avoided all of this by riding his own lead-out train instead of trying to follow WvA. I have no idea why he didn't follow Morkov around the last corner, but maybe he thought Morkov didn't have the legs to do a strong enough lead-out. Once he jumped onto WvA's wheel, it was pretty much over for him.