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Old 07-05-22, 12:23 PM
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No more mechanical or rim brake 105 group

105 next gen is 12 speed, di2, disk brake only

https://road.cc/content/tech-news/sh...roupset-293985

I hope campy at least keeps mechanical.... but same market forces probably apply, but this could be a niche for campy to expand to. I am bit wishing I had gone with campy vs ultegra 8000 (last mechanical group) for a build i am working on

But this may end up being an opportunity for smaller players, like Velo-Orange, Rene Herse, Rivendell, Paul Components, etc
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
105 next gen is 12 speed, di2, disk brake only

https://road.cc/content/tech-news/sh...roupset-293985

I hope campy at least keeps mechanical.... but same market forces probably apply, but this could be a niche for campy to expand to. I am bit wishing I had gone with campy vs ultegra 8000 (last mechanical group) for a build i am working on

But this may end up being an opportunity for smaller players, like Velo-Orange, Rene Herse, Rivendell, Paul Components, etc
I call them Disc brakes, just like on a car or motorcycle.

with the programming possible, will really put the squeeze on Ultegra. Then the group below will need to add a cog?
Not everyone will be able to pop for the electronic or want it.
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I'm personally devastated by this. I was going to mount modern 105 on my '72 Torpado. I'm left reeling. Guess I'll stick with the NR down tube shifters and first gen DA brakeset.
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not sure how this is relevant in the c&v forum?

there is a long thread about this in the road forum: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...-goes-di2.html
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I read that all development on rim brake technology was halted at Shimano some time ago.
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Since people generally want the latest shiney thing, top tier, lightly used rim calipers might get cheap. New closeouts might be a great way to go if they can be found.

Yeah, I know, a lot of qualifiers in my theory. 🤔
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Old 07-05-22, 01:24 PM
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It's such a nice-looking group, too.
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I'm personally devastated by this. I was going to mount modern 105 on my '72 Torpado. I'm left reeling. Guess I'll stick with the NR down tube shifters and first gen DA brakeset.
you can still get the 7000 group
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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
not sure how this is relevant in the c&v forum?

there is a long thread about this in the road forum: https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...-goes-di2.html
IMHO pretty relevant as many of us put modern components on vintage frames for best of both worlds as an example my 85 miyata with 5800 105 11 speed


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When you think about it, rim brakes are disk brakes, just out at the edge of the wheel. Rim is rotor. Caliper is caliper.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
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I'm waiting for someone to post asking what DT friction shifters to use with 12 speed 105, and can my RD-1055 handle an 11-34 cassette, and do I HAVE TO go to a 130mm rear?
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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
I'm personally devastated by this. I was going to mount modern 105 on my '72 Torpado. I'm left reeling. Guess I'll stick with the NR down tube shifters and first gen DA brakeset.
Did you forget the ** sarcasterisks?
11sp mechanical 105 and ultegra are still around.
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Originally Posted by dweenk View Post
When you think about it, rim brakes are disk brakes, just out at the edge of the wheel. Rim is rotor. Caliper is caliper.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
Yes, this is a longstanding claim that is commonly repeated. Not really sure what the point is, most of the time, but it is an often made point.
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Originally Posted by hazetguy View Post
not sure how this is relevant in the c&v forum?
A long running and popular thread here is the steel frame modern drivetrain build.
This announcement will impact those who like updating older frames with modern high level drivetrains.
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Oh, man! Next thing you know SunTour will close up shop and Fuji and Miyata will stop frame production!
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Particularly on a C&V update, you do not need a unified component group. I have always freely mixed and matched either to get what I wanted or to take advantage of what was available.

I recently did a safety-related brake update/upgrade on my Bianchi, which still has its original Campag. NR downtube shift levers and derailleurs, but Shimano dual-pivot brake calipers that actually enable me to stop. Judging from brake lever travel, the leverage on the dual-pivots is probably 2 or 3:1, versus the 1:1 of the Campag. or OEM Modolo sidepulls.
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I would love to put a wireless groupset on a c&v bike. Why? Simple, I'll most likely never be able to afford a complete bike with wireless and disc.
I've always got an eye out for one of the rim brake 2x groupset versions for sale in my price range.
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I just traded away my Di2 Ultegra Cannondale SuperSix. 15.5 lbs of silk, error-free shifting on Zipp 404’s. The trade was hardly even, but my friend has the bike he’s always deserved, and I have a bad-ace Kestrel and another set of NOS DA9000/Open Pro tubeless wheels.

I just was not totally enamored of Di2. I missed cable shifting, sort of. I felt less.

No doubt, there is electronic in my future, likely wireless, but on steel and not an $8,000 Madone with 105, Di2 or not.

The trickle down on what I want is slow. I can wait, and if I can still ride then, sure.
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Originally Posted by dweenk View Post
When you think about it, rim brakes are disk brakes, just out at the edge of the wheel. Rim is rotor. Caliper is caliper.
Old school is not as cool, a lot cheaper & easier to work on, and old school works well enough.
You're gonna need a bigger disc.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Did you forget the ** sarcasterisks?
Are they really necessary?
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Originally Posted by dweenk View Post
When you think about it, rim brakes are disk brakes...
And when you can convince your mind to just htfu, that's electronic shifting.

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Originally Posted by SurferRosa View Post
Are they really necessary?
since someone prior to me responded in a manner that makes it seem like they thought you were serious, it appears they were necessary.
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Particularly on a C&V update, you do not need a unified component group. I have always freely mixed and matched either to get what I wanted or to take advantage of what was available.

I recently did a safety-related brake update/upgrade on my Bianchi, which still has its original Campag. NR downtube shift levers and derailleurs, but Shimano dual-pivot brake calipers that actually enable me to stop. Judging from brake lever travel, the leverage on the dual-pivots is probably 2 or 3:1, versus the 1:1 of the Campag. or OEM Modolo sidepulls.
This. I'm more of a mix and match kind of person anyway. The only components from the same mfger on this bike are the hubs/RD. The FD and crank are from the same group, but made by different mfgers. Chainrings are French.


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Since roadies generally want the latest shiney thing,
FIFY. You're welcome.
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