Crashed - who screwed up?
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Every bike should be Factory equipped with a proximity sensor that rings a bell, honks a horn and shots loudly "I AM APPROACHING YOU TO PASS YOU SO STAY OUT OF MY WAY"
Would like to see the WRITTEN STATUTE mentioning that the overtaking bicycle rider MUST ANNOUNCE. Pretty cool if that was the "RULES OF THE ROAD" for vehicles. Here a HONK, There a HONK, everywhere a HONK-HONK
Would like to see the WRITTEN STATUTE mentioning that the overtaking bicycle rider MUST ANNOUNCE. Pretty cool if that was the "RULES OF THE ROAD" for vehicles. Here a HONK, There a HONK, everywhere a HONK-HONK
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... Sec. 11-1512. Bicycles on sidewalks. (a) A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk, or across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk, shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian....
The statute states " ... shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian... " but does not mention coming upon another bicycle.
Is that reference elsewhere and I just did not see it?
TIA
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I found the following that you posted and was wondering if it is what you are referring to?
... Sec. 11-1512. Bicycles on sidewalks. (a) A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk, or across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk, shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian....
The statute states " ... shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian... " but does not mention coming upon another bicycle.
Is that reference elsewhere and I just did not see it?
TIA
... Sec. 11-1512. Bicycles on sidewalks. (a) A person propelling a bicycle upon and along a sidewalk, or across a roadway upon and along a crosswalk, shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian....
The statute states " ... shall yield the right of way to any pedestrian and shall give audible signal before overtaking and passing such pedestrian... " but does not mention coming upon another bicycle.
Is that reference elsewhere and I just did not see it?
TIA
Last edited by livedarklions; 09-14-21 at 06:32 AM.
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Why take the chance
Rather than trying to assign blame, think about accident avoidance. Whenever I approach another cyclist, they know I'm there maybe 20-30 feet before. Then I give wide bearth. It maybe a bit overkill but roadrash and destroyed equipment are preventable with some heads up riding.
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No one would opt-in and it's too easily abused.
Imagine what "fun" it would be to be able to use this feature in an airplane.
You'd also have no idea where the noise originated from (making it mostly useless).
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You are very much at fault. Rules of the road are to announce to the rider in front that you are passing them on the left. Not good. That said, you are not in a group by yourself. I am often passed by experienced bikers that don't practice this.
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You were going too slow. If you passed him at 20mph, you would have been long gone when he did the u turn.
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Crashed - who screwed up.
I agree and it is the law. A bell gets attention. Courtesy would be to say which side you are on. Also breaking the I am silent and invisible rule. Which is: Always consider that you are always silent and invisible.
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...plus I always slow down and use caution anyway. I always assume I'm about to encounter someone who's about to do something dumb.
I've had joggers pull that crap on me. On an MUP/MUT very recently there was an older couple I was coming up on from behind as I was coming down off a freeway overcrossing (so my speed might have been up above a bit over normal). About 10 yards away I announced my presence ("On your left" or, maybe, it was "Bike on your left!"). They appeared to move to the right...for a moment. The husband (I assume), moved across the trail in front of me to get over to a side trail. Unsafe move but not critical. If that wasn't bad enough, at the last possible moment he reached over, grabbed his wife and pulled her across right in front of me. If I hadn't assumed this guy was about to do something stupid I wouldn't have swerved at that last moment and all 3 of us would have gone down. Someone(s) would have been severely hurt.
This was in the SF Bay Area where people are supposed to be intelligent. However, doesn't matter race, color, religion, gender, etc. etc. people do stupid things and lack the common sense to avoid creating risky and hazardous situations.
Like I imply (or is that "infer") in my signature...always assume the worst possible thing and make alternate plans to avoid that outcome.
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Crashed - who screwed up?
Consider that anyone on a bike with at least one foot on the ground is a pedestrian. They automatically have right of way.
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Constantly complaining about things that will not change is pointless.
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You aren’t at fault
I had the same exact thing happen to me on a motorcycle and a car decided to do a U-turn with a fake to parallel park. He was 100% at fault.
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I have been riding long enough to know that you can't always trust that other riders or even pedestrians:
1 )hear you
2) understand you
3) know what you want them to do
4) will do it in a timely manner
So always slow down when approaching others, be verbal with your intentions, give plenty of time for others to react and always expect the worst. It is both parties responsibility to avoid a collision
1 )hear you
2) understand you
3) know what you want them to do
4) will do it in a timely manner
So always slow down when approaching others, be verbal with your intentions, give plenty of time for others to react and always expect the worst. It is both parties responsibility to avoid a collision
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A bell is a good thing to have, but it does not let someone in front of you know your intentions, just that you are behind them. Being verbal is a must!
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Be Smart
In any accident there are always two at fault - the lug who did the unexpected, as well as the other rider who did not anticipate, prepare, or leave enough time or space to avoid it. Conclusion: Be Smart . . . or be sore! Right or wrong doesn't mean much after you are down.
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In any accident there are always two at fault - the lug who did the unexpected, as well as the other rider who did not anticipate, prepare, or leave enough time or space to avoid it. Conclusion: Be Smart . . . or be sore! Right or wrong doesn't mean much after you are down.
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Passing on a Path
OK, you got me! Trail riding, especially steep narrow paths are problematic. Recognize then for what they are -DANGER, A HUGE RISK AHEAD. If you are racing, assess the risk. But if you are pleasure or group riding, think about what you can do to be safe.
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I will say that my impression of the OP incident is that it occurred at a time the OP thought the other rider was ending her ride. I've found through experience that these are the people it's most important to announce my presence to because people tend to let their guard down when they're going very slow or idling and act like they're on a regular sidewalk.
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