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[QUOTE=Cycle Tourist;22587667]Yes, it does, so December '84. But someone said that a Dec '84 manufacture date would make it an '85 model. Nevertheless the fork looks '83 being flat/bi-plane (the only year I was aware that Schwinn Sierra had this style) because the '84 had a sloping crown fork (both Sierra and High Sierra), and '85+ in the Schwinn catalogs are all unicrown forks from what I can gather so far. But note that the exact same "GXX84" frame and exact bi-plane fork was used under a different brand name which escapes me at the moment, so it's like that brand kept the '83 Schwinn-style fork. But like I said the Schwinn catalogs that I've seen so far show the different forks for '83 '84 '85+ so it is weird.
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Picked this up last Friday, a 1999 GT XCR3000.
From the second owner - still has the four stock reflectors.
i-drive. The crank is mounted off center in a large rotating bracket in the swing arm and has a link connecting it to the down tube. So when the swing arm moves up and back, the crank center rotates down and forward.
I'd never seen one before although they were on the market for a decade!
From the second owner - still has the four stock reflectors.
i-drive. The crank is mounted off center in a large rotating bracket in the swing arm and has a link connecting it to the down tube. So when the swing arm moves up and back, the crank center rotates down and forward.
I'd never seen one before although they were on the market for a decade!
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My 1998 Moots YBBeat on the toughest ride I’ve ever done…Schofield Pass between Crested Butte and Carbondale, CO.
Beyond steep. 18% grade downhill. I had to walk most of it.
When I did ride, I ended up doing a yard sale. Ejected my phone, camera, and tool kit.
Devil’s Punch Bowl but that wasn’t the end of the nasty bits.
Even after taking pictures of Colorado’s most photographed spot, there was another 6 miles of climbs and 25 miles of pavement riding.
I was nackered at the end of the day. Two energy drinks, a two ice creams in addition to lunch (a rarity for me while riding) and dinner didn’t fill the hole.
Beyond steep. 18% grade downhill. I had to walk most of it.
When I did ride, I ended up doing a yard sale. Ejected my phone, camera, and tool kit.
Devil’s Punch Bowl but that wasn’t the end of the nasty bits.
Even after taking pictures of Colorado’s most photographed spot, there was another 6 miles of climbs and 25 miles of pavement riding.
I was nackered at the end of the day. Two energy drinks, a two ice creams in addition to lunch (a rarity for me while riding) and dinner didn’t fill the hole.
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Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
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Evening rip
My 91 Axis out for an evening rip. Hard to take good pictures of this frame. The paint is so minty
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It's not pretty, but it gets the job done; A 2 B mit cargo done 365
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Shots From This Evening's Ride
1984 Peugeot Canyon Express
"Betty Blue"
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91 Klein Rascal
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It looks immaculate! Nice job!
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That actually makes it more interesting to me. You can always put the original components back on, if you have them. But when you modify to suit your wants/needs, it sort of becomes a work of art.
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Two recent MTB finds, 1989 ish Specialized Stumpjumper and 1987 ish Mountain Goat. Mountain Goat moved on to a collector friend.
As far as exact years, I have stopped spending time identifying years on bikes.
Got to love the HT lug work. TIG welded with added lug sections as decoration?
As far as exact years, I have stopped spending time identifying years on bikes.
Got to love the HT lug work. TIG welded with added lug sections as decoration?
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Just picked up this 1986 Cannondale SM 700 Full Suntour XC group and mixed wheel sizes: 24” on the rear and 26” on the front.
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Damn! I wanted one back in the day. The idea of using the 24” wheel to get a lower gear was brilliant! Great bit of history there.
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Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
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Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
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The faux lugs were a fancy-pants way of reinforcing the head tube so it wouldn't get stretched by the headset lateral loads. Fat Chance used a simple ring for this purpose. Production bikes, like Treks, sometimes used one-piece head assemblies on their early lugged MTB frames and these often did not hold up well if the bikes were ridden hard off-road. A loose bottom headset cup rocking around in the head tube is the result. Small frames are more susceptible, as the leverage on the headset is greater, in spite of rider mass.
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Cannondale Innovation
I was selling Cannondales when they expanded from "bags and Buggers" to bicycle manufacturing. They were not only innovative, but very affordable, though there is some credence to the argument that they were simply ripping off Klein's innovation. The thing that made Cannondale successful was their ability to offer this innovation to the masses in a way that Klein did not even attempt to do.
The 24" rear wheel was supposed to have increased traction due to the angle at which the tire addressed the ground, with the 26" tire rolling over obstacles and rough surfaces more effectively. They also offered a 24" x 24" setup in the smallest frame size. Generally speaking, customers didn't like the 26" x 24" setup after they had ridden them for awhile. The Cannondale heat treated, oversize tube frame was already overly stiff and the small rear wheel sent even more shock to the rider through it. There was also the need to carry two different size spare tubes.
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Bolton, Vermont
The 24" rear wheel was supposed to have increased traction due to the angle at which the tire addressed the ground, with the 26" tire rolling over obstacles and rough surfaces more effectively. They also offered a 24" x 24" setup in the smallest frame size. Generally speaking, customers didn't like the 26" x 24" setup after they had ridden them for awhile. The Cannondale heat treated, oversize tube frame was already overly stiff and the small rear wheel sent even more shock to the rider through it. There was also the need to carry two different size spare tubes.
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Fat City perhaps at Classic Bicycles Auburn
I was selling Cannondales when they expanded from "bags and Buggers" to bicycle manufacturing. They were not only innovative, but very affordable, though there is some credence to the argument that they were simply ripping off Klein's innovation. The thing that made Cannondale successful was their ability to offer this innovation to the masses in a way that Klein did not even attempt to do.
The 24" rear wheel was supposed to have increased traction due to the angle at which the tire addressed the ground, with the 26" tire rolling over obstacles and rough surfaces more effectively. They also offered a 24" x 24" setup in the smallest frame size. Generally speaking, customers didn't like the 26" x 24" setup after they had ridden them for awhile. The Cannondale heat treated, oversize tube frame was already overly stiff and the small rear wheel sent even more shock to the rider through it. There was also the need to carry two different size spare tubes.
Stephen Barner
Bolton, Vermont
The 24" rear wheel was supposed to have increased traction due to the angle at which the tire addressed the ground, with the 26" tire rolling over obstacles and rough surfaces more effectively. They also offered a 24" x 24" setup in the smallest frame size. Generally speaking, customers didn't like the 26" x 24" setup after they had ridden them for awhile. The Cannondale heat treated, oversize tube frame was already overly stiff and the small rear wheel sent even more shock to the rider through it. There was also the need to carry two different size spare tubes.
Stephen Barner
Bolton, Vermont
1983 Fat City
I'm toying with bringing this 1983 Fat City to Classic Bicycles Auburn August 26 to 28th. But I'm driving in and space is limited - might someone else making the trip to Auburn Indiana be able to bring a similar bike? Or perhaps better yet, maybe an earlier lugged one? Tasshi Dennis of Vintage Mtb workshop will be giving a talk on the early Mtb makers who started as road bike makers (actually check out the fork with Reynolds 531 blades in a track crown!) In any case, early Mtb's like this one are quite welcome at the bicycle display on Sunday - there is still room to join the fun.
This bike is too small for me. But I grew up in New England and I remember going into Chris Chance's shop. So I really like it. Also, a friend's brother worked for Chris and said Mtb's were becoming popular. I said it was probably just a fad. Yeah, kinda like computers and digital photography!
Thanks so much!
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At long last, I’ve procured a Paramountain! This has been on the list for sometime. Purchased as a frame and fork, and quickly cobbles together with XT 7 speed bits from the bin. It’s a very fine riding machine.
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Picked this up last Friday, a 1999 GT XCR3000.
From the second owner - still has the four stock reflectors.
i-drive. The crank is mounted off center in a large rotating bracket in the swing arm and has a link connecting it to the down tube. So when the swing arm moves up and back, the crank center rotates down and forward.
I'd never seen one before although they were on the market for a decade!
From the second owner - still has the four stock reflectors.
i-drive. The crank is mounted off center in a large rotating bracket in the swing arm and has a link connecting it to the down tube. So when the swing arm moves up and back, the crank center rotates down and forward.
I'd never seen one before although they were on the market for a decade!
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Univega Carbonlite
Bought this one new in early 90's for $1200.00. This one is a keeper for me. My son used it in Eugene while going to grad school at UO. I borrowed it to explore Oregon when i visited him.
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Love the fork
That's a sweet, early Fat. When I bought mine in 1985, I didn't have enough money for the box-crown fork, which was over half the cost of the frame, as I recall. I've always regretted that. I have a mangled one that I salvaged from a Huffy Throw, when the Fat Chance boys left it behind. It is not repairable, but I may someday locate a pair of track fork blades and use it as a guide to build my own.
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1983 Fat City
I'm toying with bringing this 1983 Fat City to Classic Bicycles Auburn August 26 to 28th. But I'm driving in and space is limited - might someone else making the trip to Auburn Indiana be able to bring a similar bike? Or perhaps better yet, maybe an earlier lugged one? Tasshi Dennis of Vintage Mtb workshop will be giving a talk on the early Mtb makers who started as road bike makers (actually check out the fork with Reynolds 531 blades in a track crown!) In any case, early Mtb's like this one are quite welcome at the bicycle display on Sunday - there is still room to join the fun.
This bike is too small for me. But I grew up in New England and I remember going into Chris Chance's shop. So I really like it. Also, a friend's brother worked for Chris and said Mtb's were becoming popular. I said it was probably just a fad. Yeah, kinda like computers and digital photography!
Thanks so much!
Mike Kone
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Steve Barner
Bolton, Vermont
1983 Fat City
I'm toying with bringing this 1983 Fat City to Classic Bicycles Auburn August 26 to 28th. But I'm driving in and space is limited - might someone else making the trip to Auburn Indiana be able to bring a similar bike? Or perhaps better yet, maybe an earlier lugged one? Tasshi Dennis of Vintage Mtb workshop will be giving a talk on the early Mtb makers who started as road bike makers (actually check out the fork with Reynolds 531 blades in a track crown!) In any case, early Mtb's like this one are quite welcome at the bicycle display on Sunday - there is still room to join the fun.
This bike is too small for me. But I grew up in New England and I remember going into Chris Chance's shop. So I really like it. Also, a friend's brother worked for Chris and said Mtb's were becoming popular. I said it was probably just a fad. Yeah, kinda like computers and digital photography!
Thanks so much!
Mike Kone
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Classic Bicycles Auburn
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1992 Schwinn PDG90
Here's one of the few mountain bikes I have that is NOT a Fat Chance. The backstory is that I bought a 1992 Schwinn 'Paramount' (those in the know will understand the single quotes) PDG90 in close to brand new condition for my wife several years ago. The PDG90 was a very high quality Japanese-made frameset, done in Tange tubing, and was certainly the equal in terms of workmanship and ride quality of most high-end, American-made bikes of its day. She already had a Fat Chance that I bought new for her in 1986 to match mine, but she wanted a bike specifically for our dirt road, and that was just before the gravel craze spawned a new generation of bikes. I really liked her bike with its Suntour XC Pro group, funky MicroDrive gearing, and GreaseGuard components. Imagine a mountain bike with a 24-tooth large cog! Yet, it worked, considering the gearing of the day. A couple years later, I spotted this well-worn twin of her bike and jumped on it. Its most notable features are the Amp Research fork, which works surprisingly well, and its retrofit rear disc brake, with a Brake Therapy torque arm braced to an unused cantilever stud. I believe these are the very first hydraulic brakes that Hayes made for mountain bikes and they still work quite well. This bike often comes up in my off-road rotation and I always enjoy banging around in the woods on it. The trails I ride most often are really hiking trails, steep, rooty, and rocky, and this bike handles them as well as anything else with its 9-speed SRAM mechs and twist-grip shifters. The paint was called Purple Freak, and it shifts from pinkish to purpleish depending on the light. The dropped right chainstay was a Schwinn feature to reduce chain slap.
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I also have a Schwinn Paramount PDG90 - frame actually - it's patiently waiting to be be brought back to life.
Two friends also have the same bike - I believe the color was also known as 'Blue Velvet Gas' (or Violet Metallic).
My wife has the PDG70 which was one step down - same frame with Shimano XT components and the color is 'Wineberry' (or Blue/Red Iridescent).
The PDG90 frame is pictured above / top picture - sitting in front of the Litespeed.
The PDG70 is in the lower picture.
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