Media bias against cyclist in reporting (Shawn Bradley)
01-17-22, 01:51 PM
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there is a distinction between assigning blame for an incident, and using information learned from an incident to improve practices going forward.....
As cyclists, we should learn as best we can to protect ourselves. Using this tragic incident to teach other cyclists is about the only productive thing that possibly can come from this thread
As cyclists, we should learn as best we can to protect ourselves. Using this tragic incident to teach other cyclists is about the only productive thing that possibly can come from this thread
You literally claimed that Bradley wouldn't have been paralyzed if he had taken the lane a little earlier and turned his head around to an impossible angle. You absolutely crossed over into assigning blame, and you really should be embarrassed enough by the "eye contact" thing to realize that maybe "teaching" shouldn't be your role here.
Again, I don't get who these people are that need you to tell them how to protect themselves. I don't know what his lane position should have been, I wasn't there.
And BTW, if you read the article you linked, he wasn't in the roundabout when he was hit, he was past it. Cars don't park in roundabouts.
01-17-22, 01:54 PM
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Eye contact is one of the few, and one of the best tools we have to survive in traffic. Drivers often don’t “see” us. Even if the physically see us, they often don’t perceive us as human beings. Making actual eye contact with a driver before you move in front of them greatly improves your chances that they see you and perceive you as a human they shouldn’t kill.
if you look them in the eye, and they don’t acknowledge you then you’re at least forewarned.
So hell yes, if at all possible I’m making eye contact with a driver before I move into or in front of their lane of travel
If you’re not making eye contact with the drivers of cars around you, you’re unnecessarily increasing your own risk
if you look them in the eye, and they don’t acknowledge you then you’re at least forewarned.
So hell yes, if at all possible I’m making eye contact with a driver before I move into or in front of their lane of travel
If you’re not making eye contact with the drivers of cars around you, you’re unnecessarily increasing your own risk
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01-17-22, 01:58 PM
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My comment is specific to lane position in this particular circumstance, as relayed by the cyclist himself.
in the vast majority of circumstances, it is preferable to take the lane before entering a roundabout, to avoid precisely what happened here, provided you have space to do so safely.
Trying to pass on that point to people who may have not been taught that or have had that experience is the sort of thing this form should be about.
Are you arguing that cyclists shouldn’t take the lane before entering a roundabout? If that s your claim, you could tell us why you think that and we could have a rational conversation.
in the vast majority of circumstances, it is preferable to take the lane before entering a roundabout, to avoid precisely what happened here, provided you have space to do so safely.
Trying to pass on that point to people who may have not been taught that or have had that experience is the sort of thing this form should be about.
Are you arguing that cyclists shouldn’t take the lane before entering a roundabout? If that s your claim, you could tell us why you think that and we could have a rational conversation.
Depends on the roundabout, they're definitely not one-size-fits-all. And I don't see how your speculation as to what actually happened has anything to do with a rational discussion of any safety issue.
01-17-22, 02:01 PM
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Now I remember why I don’t come to A&S ( or Bike Forums in general) anymore. It’s impossible to have a reasoned discussion.
Go on living in your echo chamber; don’t let me disturb the clan.
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01-17-22, 02:08 PM
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Not sure how you expect a reasoned discussion when you start by saying a guy got paralyzed because of his failure to ride with his head facing backwards and you can't acknowledge maybe that doesn't make a lot of sense. Don't think I'll miss that level of deep insight.
01-18-22, 12:38 PM
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Your opinion was challenged thoroughly. That makes this the very antithesis of an echo chamber. You're upset because everyone didn't agree with you.
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01-18-22, 01:22 PM
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01-18-22, 01:54 PM
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Posters who disagree with "reasoned discussion" or not in 100% agreement with the conventional wisdom believed as gospel by the Real Cyclists of BF are no doubt trolls, misfits and/or unworthy and should be reported as such, eh?
01-19-22, 02:44 PM
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Statements that agree with you are "reasoned discussion."
Posters who disagree with "reasoned discussion" or not in 100% agreement with the conventional wisdom believed as gospel by the Real Cyclists of BF are no doubt trolls, misfits and/or unworthy and should be reported as such, eh?
Posters who disagree with "reasoned discussion" or not in 100% agreement with the conventional wisdom believed as gospel by the Real Cyclists of BF are no doubt trolls, misfits and/or unworthy and should be reported as such, eh?
"Reasoned discussion" in these "person hit by..." threads apparently requires us to accept that the reason that someone got hurt or killed was because they didn't ride in exactly the manner that some guy posting on the forum says he does. Or that it's inevitable because all drivers are monsters.
I would have found "If Bradley would have _________________, he wouldn’t be paralyzed today" a pretty disgusting statement no matter what was put into the blank. That's not reasoning, it's baseless, using the tragedy to give their argument heft it really can't bear on its own merits.
