Limongi Frame
06-19-22, 07:53 PM
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Limongi Frame
I have a Limongi frame built from Mexico excell tubing. (I have photos but I can’t post as this is my first post on this site). Just looking for more information about Limongi frames and bikes in general. Mine has a cinelli BB shell. The frame as a really interesting pattern pressed in the tubing. Thanks!
06-20-22, 03:30 AM
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I have a Limongi frame built from Mexico excell tubing. (I have photos but I can’t post as this is my first post on this site). Just looking for more information about Limongi frames and bikes in general. Mine has a cinelli BB shell. The frame as a really interesting pattern pressed in the tubing. Thanks!
Yeah Excell liked to do that sort of embossed pattern on the tubes. I'm pretty sure that's only a gimmick, or maybe more fair to say it's a "stylistic flourish", but it doesn't make the tube stiffer, stronger or anything like that. Probably doesn't hurt anything either though, so "sure, why not"?
Sorry, I know your question was about Limongi but I don't know much. I know he built in France, Canada and the USA, with the US ones mostly called "Paris Sport". I think he returned to France after that and your Excell frame was probably made there.
I built some frames with Excell tubing in the '80s, so I know a little about that. Their steel was really strong for the time. How it would stack up against today's stronger tubes like say 853, I couldn't say, but it was stronger than Nivacrom or Prestige.. Someone here wil probably have some original catalog or ad copy with their claimed yield and UTS numbers.
Another unusual thing about Excell was they were willing to make it in very light gauges, as thin as 0.3 mm in the main triangle. Especially in the fork blades — almost every other bike tube maker has been afraid to sell superlight blades. Probably for liability worries, getting sued. I used a few pairs of Excell blades that were noticeably lighter than anyone else's lightest. I don't remember for sure but I wanna say 0.6 mm wall, where most others are in the 0.9 to 1.1 mm range. Flexy, good for comfort on rough surfaces, maybe not so great for sprinting? But they helped keep the weight of my wife's steel fork to under a pound. 1.5 lb is more typical in steel, even for lightweights, so this is quite a bit lighter, almost into the carbon fork range. Well, some carbon forks are heavier than that, but not the good light ones.
Not all their blades were that light, they had a range. The forks on your Limongi might be closer to normal, but probably still on the light end of normal. And very strong.
About picturers, you can save them to your gallery in your profile, then someone with more posts can post them to the thread. We'd love to see 'em. I'd like to know the frame and fork weights too, if you know 'em.
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06-20-22, 05:10 AM
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Yeah Excell liked to do that sort of embossed pattern on the tubes. I'm pretty sure that's only a gimmick, or maybe more fair to say it's a "stylistic flourish", but it doesn't make the tube stiffer, stronger or anything like that. Probably doesn't hurt anything either though, so "sure, why not"?
Sorry, I know your question was about Limongi but I don't know much. I know he built in France, Canada and the USA, with the US ones mostly called "Paris Sport". I think he returned to France after that and your Excell frame was probably made there.
I built some frames with Excell tubing in the '80s, so I know a little about that. Their steel was really strong for the time. How it would stack up against today's stronger tubes like say 853, I couldn't say, but it was stronger than Nivacrom or Prestige.. Someone here wil probably have some original catalog or ad copy with their claimed yield and UTS numbers.
Another unusual thing about Excell was they were willing to make it in very light gauges, as thin as 0.3 mm in the main triangle. Especially in the fork blades — almost every other bike tube maker has been afraid to sell superlight blades. Probably for liability worries, getting sued. I used a few pairs of Excell blades that were noticeably lighter than anyone else's lightest. I don't remember for sure but I wanna say 0.6 mm wall, where most others are in the 0.9 to 1.1 mm range. Flexy, good for comfort on rough surfaces, maybe not so great for sprinting? But they helped keep the weight of my wife's steel fork to under a pound. 1.5 lb is more typical in steel, even for lightweights, so this is quite a bit lighter, almost into the carbon fork range. Well, some carbon forks are heavier than that, but not the good light ones.
Not all their blades were that light, they had a range. The forks on your Limongi might be closer to normal, but probably still on the light end of normal. And very strong.
About picturers, you can save them to your gallery in your profile, then someone with more posts can post them to the thread. We'd love to see 'em. I'd like to know the frame and fork weights too, if you know 'em.
Mark B
Yeah Excell liked to do that sort of embossed pattern on the tubes. I'm pretty sure that's only a gimmick, or maybe more fair to say it's a "stylistic flourish", but it doesn't make the tube stiffer, stronger or anything like that. Probably doesn't hurt anything either though, so "sure, why not"?
Sorry, I know your question was about Limongi but I don't know much. I know he built in France, Canada and the USA, with the US ones mostly called "Paris Sport". I think he returned to France after that and your Excell frame was probably made there.
I built some frames with Excell tubing in the '80s, so I know a little about that. Their steel was really strong for the time. How it would stack up against today's stronger tubes like say 853, I couldn't say, but it was stronger than Nivacrom or Prestige.. Someone here wil probably have some original catalog or ad copy with their claimed yield and UTS numbers.
Another unusual thing about Excell was they were willing to make it in very light gauges, as thin as 0.3 mm in the main triangle. Especially in the fork blades — almost every other bike tube maker has been afraid to sell superlight blades. Probably for liability worries, getting sued. I used a few pairs of Excell blades that were noticeably lighter than anyone else's lightest. I don't remember for sure but I wanna say 0.6 mm wall, where most others are in the 0.9 to 1.1 mm range. Flexy, good for comfort on rough surfaces, maybe not so great for sprinting? But they helped keep the weight of my wife's steel fork to under a pound. 1.5 lb is more typical in steel, even for lightweights, so this is quite a bit lighter, almost into the carbon fork range. Well, some carbon forks are heavier than that, but not the good light ones.
Not all their blades were that light, they had a range. The forks on your Limongi might be closer to normal, but probably still on the light end of normal. And very strong.
About picturers, you can save them to your gallery in your profile, then someone with more posts can post them to the thread. We'd love to see 'em. I'd like to know the frame and fork weights too, if you know 'em.
Mark B
thanks for the info! I have added pictures to my gallery so sometime can take them from there and post please!
unfortunately I only have the frame, no fork. I also think this frame may never have been used? Rough texture almost. No paint on it or any dings or scratches. I don’t have a weight number but can get that this week. It seems very light for a fairly big frame. I can also try and measure how thick the tubing is as well.
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I might suggest signing onto classic-rendezvous-lightweight-vinta...oglegroups.com This is a group that talks about your type of frame. Mark, me and a few others here are members there too. Andy
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Classic and Vintage forum here is full of experts.
I thought I had previously posted that you didn't upload any pics. The forum software is a little clunky about that. There is an "upload" button that you have to hit after you select the pictures in order for them to be uploaded.
I thought I had previously posted that you didn't upload any pics. The forum software is a little clunky about that. There is an "upload" button that you have to hit after you select the pictures in order for them to be uploaded.
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Classic and Vintage forum here is full of experts.
I thought I had previously posted that you didn't upload any pics. The forum software is a little clunky about that. There is an "upload" button that you have to hit after you select the pictures in order for them to be uploaded.
I thought I had previously posted that you didn't upload any pics. The forum software is a little clunky about that. There is an "upload" button that you have to hit after you select the pictures in order for them to be uploaded.
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okay, great.
Limongi was one of my favorite builders back in the '70s.
Hopefully you can figure it out.
Limongi was one of my favorite builders back in the '70s.
Hopefully you can figure it out.
