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1980s Japanese bike with Tange Prestige tubing?

Old 10-11-21, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. 66
I had this for a little while, not sure where it was made, but with all the other Prestige examples I thought I'd post here anyway.

I bought this as a frame to build up, that never happened. Someone put a pretty offer up for the frame and away she went.

It is a Excel Kashmir Professional
I've seen a couple of these in the past. The samples I've seen were outfitted with the Rapidfire version of Shimano Deore XT, which placed them no earlier than 1990. It's interesting to note how the rear derailleur cable is routed along the top tube and down the seat stay, yet the front derailleur cable still routes on the down tube. Shimano brought out their top pull front derailleurs for the 1992 model year, so it should be pre-1992. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to collect any serial numbers, so I don't know who may have manufactured them.

It's also worth noting that the fork decal on all the samples I've seen, including yours, use the standard Tange CrMo fork decal, indicating that at least the fork is not Prestige. Given that, there's a good chance that the stays are also a standard CrMo and that only the main tubes are Prestige.
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Originally Posted by Whit51
Iíve read that current Soma Tange Prestige is not as good as the vintage Prestige. Maybe someone can clarify this.
Not sure about not as good, but I've definitely heard it's different.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
I've seen a couple of these in the past. The samples I've seen were outfitted with the Rapidfire version of Shimano Deore XT, which placed them no earlier than 1990. It's interesting to note how the rear derailleur cable is routed along the top tube and down the seat stay, yet the front derailleur cable still routes on the down tube. Shimano brought out their top pull front derailleurs for the 1992 model year, so it should be pre-1992. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to collect any serial numbers, so I don't know who may have manufactured them.

It's also worth noting that the fork decal on all the samples I've seen, including yours, use the standard Tange CrMo fork decal, indicating that at least the fork is not Prestige. Given that, there's a good chance that the stays are also a standard CrMo and that only the main tubes are Prestige.
Thanks for the info. I did see that the fork was standard, however I do think the stays are Prestige. There was some uneven sag or bend to the seatstays. I addressed the issue the best I could with three point pressuring. The amount of torque to slightly align was incredible. One side about 3/8" the other about 1/4". I was able to get them even but i couldn't get the taper of the stays in symmetry of them selves. So in looking down the seatstays they still have like a millimeter sag.

I've done the same process on some a Tange 2 and 531 frames, and on the Kashmir it was a lot more pressure than it took on the others.
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Originally Posted by Mr. 66
...I do think the stays are Prestige...I've done the same process on some a Tange 2 and 531 frames, and on the Kashmir it was a lot more pressure than it took on the others.
Even though they're thinner walled, the heat treated steels do take significantly more effort to cold set. Then again, so do the larger diameter and thicker walled MTB stays. It's hard to say which it might be.
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forgive me for resurrecting this thread but I have a contribution, curb find. 1990s (?) Giant with Tange Prestige superlight
The frame weighs 4.7lbs and the fork 1.4 something weird (sloppy finishing?) in the bottom bracket shell.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/YGy4assobRCqx1tC7

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Originally Posted by himespau
Not sure about not as good, but I've definitely heard it's different.
No idea, but a (Soma) Saga of Prestige seemed a lot heavier than a Stanyan of Prestige.
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Originally Posted by Stormy Archer
forgive me for resurrecting this thread but I have a contribution, curb find.
Wow. Nice save.
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Originally Posted by seypat
As found.

The first really quality bike I ever saw. My mid-1980s grail bike, before I even knew what a grail bike was.
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wow, what did I do to piss off google

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Originally Posted by smd4
The first really quality bike I ever saw. My mid-1980s grail bike, before I even knew what a grail bike was.
As it is currently.

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Originally Posted by seypat
As it is currently.

Beautiful. The two-tone paint job back in the day was very high-quality. Centurion always took pride in their finishes.
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@tendency, did you ever find what you were looking for?
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Love the DX-6000 - a bike I used to lust after in my youth. Would love to find one now in my size (63cm) but it's a fairly rare bike.
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@tendency, did you ever find what you were looking for?
No I have not. Did get a good list of 80s prestige bikes - now if I can only find one in a 63cm!
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Originally Posted by Stormy Archer
wow, what did I do to piss off google?
I suggest you re-post the photos.
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Originally Posted by tendency
I've been tasked with finding a 1980s vintage Japanese steel road bike that is constructed from Tange Prestige. Anyone have some brands/models that come to mind? I know Panasonic and I believe Nishiki had Tange Prestige models. Other than that I'm drawing a blank. Ideas?

this is my new Shogun Ninja frankenbike. It is a 1989 Shogun Ninja with Tange Prestige pipes. Fully lugged, double butted I believe.

Important to get it from 1989, earlier years had worse pipes, later years came from South Korea and weren't even in the same ballpark, I'm told.

It's a dream. Hugely recommended.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
I suggest you re-post the photos.
maybe 3rd times the charm? I'm creating a shared album and it just completely disappears, and copy and pasting the images here seems to disappear after a while too.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LpuG2RwyiY9avn7AA





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Originally Posted by Stormy Archer
maybe 3rd times the charm? I'm creating a shared album and it just completely disappears, and copy and pasting the images here seems to disappear after a while too.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/LpuG2RwyiY9avn7AA
Oh, this is interesting! The moment I saw the stay end finishing my thoughts went to Panasonic. Then I saw the Made In Japan sticker. Giant is a Taiwanese company and I'm not aware of them having contracted out manufacture.

The crankset and headset are both Shimano 105 SC which, if OEM, puts it into the 1990s. However, it has down tube cable stops for brifters (it's unlikely that they're for bar end shifters) which, if OEM, would push things forward to at least 1993.

The logo style is also that introduced in 1990 but I don't recall them pairing it with their globe symbol. It's also strange seeing them have the logo on both the down and top tube. Typically, the top tube position was reserved for the model name/number.

During this era, my recollection is that Giant typically used 105SC and above on their alternate material frames, either aluminum or carbon fibre. Lower level road frames typical used Giant branded CrMo.

Nothing is adding up for me, based on my experience with Giant bicycles in the North American market. It would be interesting to have the serial number. It may reveal the year and source.

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Originally Posted by T-Mar
Oh, this is interesting! The moment I saw the stay end finishing my thoughts went to Panasonic. Then I saw the Made In Japan sticker. Giant is a Taiwanese company and I'm not aware of them having contracted out manufacture.

The crankset and headset are both Shimano 105 SC which, if OEM, puts it into the 1990s. However, it has down tube cable stops for brifters (it's unlikely that they're for bar end shifters) which, if OEM, would push things forward to at least 1993.

The logo style is also that introduced in 1990 but I don't recall them pairing it with their globe symbol. It's also strange seeing them have the logo on both the down and top tube. Typically, the top tube position was reserved for the model name/number.

During this era, my recollection is that Giant typically used 105SC and above on their alternate material frames, either aluminum or carbon fibre. Lower level road frames typical used Giant branded CrMo.

Nothing is adding up for me, based on my experience with Giant bicycles in the North American market. It would be interesting to have the serial number. It may reveal the year and source.
I'm stoked to have something interesting. It came with full 105, yes, brifters. i was a little surprised the crankset isn't octalink. If you want to DM me I'll give you the serial but I might actually make this my daily rider.
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What is the model of this Giant?
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Originally Posted by avhed
What is the model of this Giant?
no idea!!
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Brand new from Osaka, with paint scheme/colors of choice. Here -

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Originally Posted by avhed
What is the model of this Giant?
It may not be a Giant. Read my previous post, #69.
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Zunow Hummingbird

Concorde- Model name unknown as I do not see any name on the top tube. I do see the five world champion colors ( in a different order) on the down tube, I wonder if that is a hint for the model name?

This is a post of VS3's bike posted on another thread.


Post #13 is hard to see. The above is still a too small pic of the '92 Diamondback Prevail TG. Also produced in 1991.

1994. Also produced in '93

TartandTangy's Bianchi Equinox. Produced in 90/91 only?

The most expensive: Colnago Prestige Decor

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Originally Posted by tendency
I know Miyata did not; they used their own in-house custom tubing. I know Bridgestone had some Mountain bikes with Prestige but I'm not aware of any of their road bikes that did?

I'll check out Centurion and Lotus -thanks.
The Allez is from '86 built by Miyata: Is it the only year because I see the '85 and '87 is not Tange.


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