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11-14-20, 10:19 AM
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LOL, I almost forgot:
A steering rod made from CF (the rod that connects the rear steerer tube to the fork) - my estimated price: $200
A CF steerer tube (the one the handlebars attach to, not the one attached to the fork) - my estimated price: $200-300.
A steering rod made from CF (the rod that connects the rear steerer tube to the fork) - my estimated price: $200
A CF steerer tube (the one the handlebars attach to, not the one attached to the fork) - my estimated price: $200-300.
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In fact, I would take what you said a step further, what would a $7,000 bike get you that a $3,500 bike wouldn't? Ultegra and especially 105, are fantastic group sets that have very little separating them from DA. Geez a Boardman SLR 9.2 disk is only 16 pounds and comes with Ultegra for only $2,800.
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11-15-20, 12:25 AM
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Since "it depends" on what bike you're talking about, I thought I'd mention mine.
My bike, as it stands, cost me around $6500. Now, what would an additional 5 grand or more get me? Here's an idea:
A CF cargo platform (rather than the alu-one I have) - my estimated price: $600 if I do it myself
A custom titanium fork - - my estimated price: $1000
Two upgraded headsets (because I need two): - my estimated price: $300
Assuming I didn't have to work with the frame I already have (i.e. if I had to order from scratch), I'd have a couple of strategically placed bottle cage bosses, including on the top tube and two sets on the headtube: - my estimated price: $300
Some strong CF wheels (rims) (currently have Andra 40 rims): - my estimated price: $800-$1200 (i'd be reusing the Rohloff, obviously)
Titanum cranks if I could get a spider to fit a small Gates front sprockets: €1100 - with spider (Cane Creek eeWings)
Custom titanium seatpost: - my estimated price: $400
Titanium axled pedals (full price, as I transferred my old pedals to this one): - my estimated price: $350
Hydraulic shifters: - my estimated price: $500
Bits and bobs: - my estimated price: $500
That puts it at an additional $5850-$6250. And it could get much higher if I wanted some external gearing with ultralightweight carbon wheels, a carbon seat, seat post, and what have you. Not to mention that if the frame was made out of carbon and done in an ultralight layup.
Would even some of those things be worth it? Yes, to me, they absolutely would be. But I have to admit, that although it would mean less weight, some of the things such as a carbon frame (as opposed to the titanium) would not. I don't think the eeWings would be worth it either (I'm very happy with the stiffness and strength of my Saints crankset), and so on.
What would be worth it to me is the following things:
Hydraulic shifters (if they reboot their project - pusher.ch).
Titanium fork
CF rims if they're strong enough for my (ab-)use.
The extra bosses if I didn't already own the frame, and;
The CF cargo platform if it was strong enough to take abuse.
I know, I know, it's not a racey road bike, but quality costs good money, although not all that cost good money is good quality.
Is the incremental improvements worth the extra dosh? It thoroughly depends on one's wallet, priorities, and so on. I don't think all of the above is worth it with my wallet and priorities, while others most certainly is if and when I can afford them (and in the case of the hydraulic shifters: If they ever become available for me to buy), I will buy them.
A lot of people will probably also say it is not worth it to even consider a titanium frame or some of the components for a frigging cargo bike, but it is what it is.
My bike, as it stands, cost me around $6500. Now, what would an additional 5 grand or more get me? Here's an idea:
A CF cargo platform (rather than the alu-one I have) - my estimated price: $600 if I do it myself
A custom titanium fork - - my estimated price: $1000
Two upgraded headsets (because I need two): - my estimated price: $300
Assuming I didn't have to work with the frame I already have (i.e. if I had to order from scratch), I'd have a couple of strategically placed bottle cage bosses, including on the top tube and two sets on the headtube: - my estimated price: $300
Some strong CF wheels (rims) (currently have Andra 40 rims): - my estimated price: $800-$1200 (i'd be reusing the Rohloff, obviously)
Titanum cranks if I could get a spider to fit a small Gates front sprockets: €1100 - with spider (Cane Creek eeWings)
Custom titanium seatpost: - my estimated price: $400
Titanium axled pedals (full price, as I transferred my old pedals to this one): - my estimated price: $350
Hydraulic shifters: - my estimated price: $500
Bits and bobs: - my estimated price: $500
That puts it at an additional $5850-$6250. And it could get much higher if I wanted some external gearing with ultralightweight carbon wheels, a carbon seat, seat post, and what have you. Not to mention that if the frame was made out of carbon and done in an ultralight layup.
Would even some of those things be worth it? Yes, to me, they absolutely would be. But I have to admit, that although it would mean less weight, some of the things such as a carbon frame (as opposed to the titanium) would not. I don't think the eeWings would be worth it either (I'm very happy with the stiffness and strength of my Saints crankset), and so on.
What would be worth it to me is the following things:
Hydraulic shifters (if they reboot their project - pusher.ch).
Titanium fork
CF rims if they're strong enough for my (ab-)use.
The extra bosses if I didn't already own the frame, and;
The CF cargo platform if it was strong enough to take abuse.
I know, I know, it's not a racey road bike, but quality costs good money, although not all that cost good money is good quality.
Is the incremental improvements worth the extra dosh? It thoroughly depends on one's wallet, priorities, and so on. I don't think all of the above is worth it with my wallet and priorities, while others most certainly is if and when I can afford them (and in the case of the hydraulic shifters: If they ever become available for me to buy), I will buy them.
A lot of people will probably also say it is not worth it to even consider a titanium frame or some of the components for a frigging cargo bike, but it is what it is.
This was the point that Grant Peterson made several years that his production made Atlantis was 98% of what his custom made Rivendell was, and the Rivendell at that time cost about $2,500 more than the Atlantis if my memory serves me correctly. And most honest bicycle manufacturers will tell you the same thing, that a mid-level bike will be about 90 to 98% of what their high-end model will be.
In fact, I would take what you said a step further, what would a $7,000 bike get you that a $3,500 bike wouldn't? Ultegra and especially 105, are fantastic group sets that have very little separating them from DA. Geez a Boardman SLR 9.2 disk is only 16 pounds and comes with Ultegra for only $2,800.
In fact, I would take what you said a step further, what would a $7,000 bike get you that a $3,500 bike wouldn't? Ultegra and especially 105, are fantastic group sets that have very little separating them from DA. Geez a Boardman SLR 9.2 disk is only 16 pounds and comes with Ultegra for only $2,800.
Focus Izalco Race Ultegra
11-15-20, 12:26 AM
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Since "it depends" on what bike you're talking about, I thought I'd mention mine.
My bike, as it stands, cost me around $6500. Now, what would an additional 5 grand or more get me? Here's an idea:
A CF cargo platform (rather than the alu-one I have) - my estimated price: $600 if I do it myself
A custom titanium fork - - my estimated price: $1000
Two upgraded headsets (because I need two): - my estimated price: $300
Assuming I didn't have to work with the frame I already have (i.e. if I had to order from scratch), I'd have a couple of strategically placed bottle cage bosses, including on the top tube and two sets on the headtube: - my estimated price: $300
Some strong CF wheels (rims) (currently have Andra 40 rims): - my estimated price: $800-$1200 (i'd be reusing the Rohloff, obviously)
Titanum cranks if I could get a spider to fit a small Gates front sprockets: €1100 - with spider (Cane Creek eeWings)
Custom titanium seatpost: - my estimated price: $400
Titanium axled pedals (full price, as I transferred my old pedals to this one): - my estimated price: $350
Hydraulic shifters: - my estimated price: $500
Bits and bobs: - my estimated price: $500
That puts it at an additional $5850-$6250. And it could get much higher if I wanted some external gearing with ultralightweight carbon wheels, a carbon seat, seat post, and what have you. Not to mention that if the frame was made out of carbon and done in an ultralight layup.
Would even some of those things be worth it? Yes, to me, they absolutely would be. But I have to admit, that although it would mean less weight, some of the things such as a carbon frame (as opposed to the titanium) would not. I don't think the eeWings would be worth it either (I'm very happy with the stiffness and strength of my Saints crankset), and so on.
What would be worth it to me is the following things:
Hydraulic shifters (if they reboot their project - pusher.ch).
Titanium fork
CF rims if they're strong enough for my (ab-)use.
The extra bosses if I didn't already own the frame, and;
The CF cargo platform if it was strong enough to take abuse.
I know, I know, it's not a racey road bike, but quality costs good money, although not all that cost good money is good quality.
Is the incremental improvements worth the extra dosh? It thoroughly depends on one's wallet, priorities, and so on. I don't think all of the above is worth it with my wallet and priorities, while others most certainly is if and when I can afford them (and in the case of the hydraulic shifters: If they ever become available for me to buy), I will buy them.
A lot of people will probably also say it is not worth it to even consider a titanium frame or some of the components for a frigging cargo bike, but it is what it is.
My bike, as it stands, cost me around $6500. Now, what would an additional 5 grand or more get me? Here's an idea:
A CF cargo platform (rather than the alu-one I have) - my estimated price: $600 if I do it myself
A custom titanium fork - - my estimated price: $1000
Two upgraded headsets (because I need two): - my estimated price: $300
Assuming I didn't have to work with the frame I already have (i.e. if I had to order from scratch), I'd have a couple of strategically placed bottle cage bosses, including on the top tube and two sets on the headtube: - my estimated price: $300
Some strong CF wheels (rims) (currently have Andra 40 rims): - my estimated price: $800-$1200 (i'd be reusing the Rohloff, obviously)
Titanum cranks if I could get a spider to fit a small Gates front sprockets: €1100 - with spider (Cane Creek eeWings)
Custom titanium seatpost: - my estimated price: $400
Titanium axled pedals (full price, as I transferred my old pedals to this one): - my estimated price: $350
Hydraulic shifters: - my estimated price: $500
Bits and bobs: - my estimated price: $500
That puts it at an additional $5850-$6250. And it could get much higher if I wanted some external gearing with ultralightweight carbon wheels, a carbon seat, seat post, and what have you. Not to mention that if the frame was made out of carbon and done in an ultralight layup.
Would even some of those things be worth it? Yes, to me, they absolutely would be. But I have to admit, that although it would mean less weight, some of the things such as a carbon frame (as opposed to the titanium) would not. I don't think the eeWings would be worth it either (I'm very happy with the stiffness and strength of my Saints crankset), and so on.
What would be worth it to me is the following things:
Hydraulic shifters (if they reboot their project - pusher.ch).
Titanium fork
CF rims if they're strong enough for my (ab-)use.
The extra bosses if I didn't already own the frame, and;
The CF cargo platform if it was strong enough to take abuse.
I know, I know, it's not a racey road bike, but quality costs good money, although not all that cost good money is good quality.
Is the incremental improvements worth the extra dosh? It thoroughly depends on one's wallet, priorities, and so on. I don't think all of the above is worth it with my wallet and priorities, while others most certainly is if and when I can afford them (and in the case of the hydraulic shifters: If they ever become available for me to buy), I will buy them.
A lot of people will probably also say it is not worth it to even consider a titanium frame or some of the components for a frigging cargo bike, but it is what it is.
This was the point that Grant Peterson made several years that his production made Atlantis was 98% of what his custom made Rivendell was, and the Rivendell at that time cost about $2,500 more than the Atlantis if my memory serves me correctly. And most honest bicycle manufacturers will tell you the same thing, that a mid-level bike will be about 90 to 98% of what their high-end model will be.
In fact, I would take what you said a step further, what would a $7,000 bike get you that a $3,500 bike wouldn't? Ultegra and especially 105, are fantastic group sets that have very little separating them from DA. Geez a Boardman SLR 9.2 disk is only 16 pounds and comes with Ultegra for only $2,800.
In fact, I would take what you said a step further, what would a $7,000 bike get you that a $3,500 bike wouldn't? Ultegra and especially 105, are fantastic group sets that have very little separating them from DA. Geez a Boardman SLR 9.2 disk is only 16 pounds and comes with Ultegra for only $2,800.
Focus Izalco Race Ultegra
11-15-20, 09:59 AM
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We all have our minds in different places. I returned a $20 C02 tire inflator today because I thought it was extravagant. Had a flat 15 miles out Friday. Didn't call my wife because she teaches ADHD kids and is busy. Didn't call my daughter because she's a nurse. Didn't call an Uber, I walked the 15 miles home. Actually I am not proud of myself. Sometimes I think my stubbornness and small mindedness is what kept me from climbing in my career. You need to think big to make it big. Enjoy your bike!
My bike is my car, though (it's a cargo bike). I would never use that amount of money on a road bike or MTB. That would be extravagant for me too.
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I'm one cheap SOB when it comes to buying new tires for my car, on which my life and livelihood depend. I put it off as long as possible. But I think nothing of getting new tires for one of my bikes, and I always buy the best ones money can buy. I don't mind spending extra on my bikes for something better.
I've always been that way though, the kind of person you see carrying a $3500 bike on a $2500 car. Probably not typical.
I've always been that way though, the kind of person you see carrying a $3500 bike on a $2500 car. Probably not typical.
11-15-20, 10:38 AM
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Lemond1985: I was that way when I was playing drums professionally in my twenties and thirties. I didn't have a pot to piss in and I was really frugal with all my purchases, except those having to do with my drums. If a cymbal would chip, I would run right out and plunk down $100 for a brand new Zildjian without even a second thought.
With bicycling, I won't stay off the saddle for even a day because of a broken part, but I will never pay for better quality than I need.
With bicycling, I won't stay off the saddle for even a day because of a broken part, but I will never pay for better quality than I need.
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11-15-20, 01:14 PM
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Another good way to justify an expensive bike is that I don't spend the money on other expensive hobbies.
I don't play golf - therefore I didn't spend $1000 on equipment, and I save $100 every time I don't pay green fees and cart rental. So if I don't play twice a week, and I buy a new $10,000 bike once every 10 years, I'm saving $89,000!
BANK!
I don't play golf - therefore I didn't spend $1000 on equipment, and I save $100 every time I don't pay green fees and cart rental. So if I don't play twice a week, and I buy a new $10,000 bike once every 10 years, I'm saving $89,000!
BANK!
11-15-20, 01:17 PM
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Lemond1985: I was that way when I was playing drums professionally in my twenties and thirties. I didn't have a pot to piss in and I was really frugal with all my purchases, except those having to do with my drums. If a cymbal would chip, I would run right out and plunk down $100 for a brand new Zildjian without even a second thought.
With bicycling, I won't stay off the saddle for even a day because of a broken part, but I will never pay for better quality than I need.
With bicycling, I won't stay off the saddle for even a day because of a broken part, but I will never pay for better quality than I need.
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11-15-20, 04:05 PM
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We all have our minds in different places. I returned a $20 C02 tire inflator today because I thought it was extravagant. Had a flat 15 miles out Friday. Didn't call my wife because she teaches ADHD kids and is busy. Didn't call my daughter because she's a nurse. Didn't call an Uber, I walked the 15 miles home. Actually I am not proud of myself. Sometimes I think my stubbornness and small mindedness is what kept me from climbing in my career. You need to think big to make it big. Enjoy your bike!
The most flats I ever had in a day was back in the tubular days. I always carried 2 spares plus a repair kit which included a thimble, waxed thread, a needle, a thread cutter, and of course patches and glue. So one day I blew through the first 2 tubulars in the first about 10 miles of a scheduled 50-mile ride, believe it or not, but back in the late '70s blowing through 2 tubulars on a ride was not uncommon! but usually, a person would blow through 1. Then after that, I had 4 more flats if I recall correctly, so what I did after the third flat, and since I was already stopped and had my repair stuff out, I went ahead and repaired all 3 of the tubulars, this took about an hour, so off I rode but ended up going through the 2 spares again around the 30-mile mark, so back to spending about an hour to repair those flatted tubulars.
I HAATTTTEEDD tubulars!!! I was so glad when Specialized came out with the first folding lightweight clincher tires, I think it was in 1979? Maybe someone has the actual date, but anyway I ran out got new rims and new tires the very day I found them in a bike shop. My flats on those first folding tires were only about 1 a week to 1 every 2 weeks. The primary cause for flats back in those days were fine wires that ground off of bald steel-belted radial tires and glass, I haven't had a flat from a piece of wire in years.
11-15-20, 04:50 PM
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If you're going to get a really nice bike, please dress right! Please don't let use see you with plastic bags over your gym sneakers on a rainy day!
Castelli Soft-Shell Cycling Pants - Men's $300
Giro Vanquish MIPS Helmet. $300
Castelli Hors Categorie Jersey $150
S-Works Exos Road Shoe Specialized Black $500
Sealskinz Extreme Cold-Weather Cycling Split-Finger Gloves $80
Castelli Idro 2 Jacket $300
Total $2300
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11-15-20, 05:02 PM
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Without the shouting I can say that I don't really care about those items you posted. And the things you posted are not something I would be seen dead in. In fact, someone posted a photo about someone all dressed up in tweed. A mix between that and mountain bike clothing does it for me. Oh, and sandals. I don't like to look dressed up for cycling - and only cycling.
Besides, why would have to "dress the part" because you have an expensive bike? It's still cheaper than a good motorcycle. Why would I want to attempt the "Look, I like expensive things", when all I care about is using good stuff.
Do you think I have the things on my bike - or the frame itself - because they were expensive?
Or, put it this way: Good quality stuff costs good money, but not all that costs good money is good quality.
Besides, why would have to "dress the part" because you have an expensive bike? It's still cheaper than a good motorcycle. Why would I want to attempt the "Look, I like expensive things", when all I care about is using good stuff.
Do you think I have the things on my bike - or the frame itself - because they were expensive?
Or, put it this way: Good quality stuff costs good money, but not all that costs good money is good quality.
11-15-20, 05:14 PM
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Dont worry I'm the guy with plastic bags on my sneakers and gym shorts even on a really cold wet day .My Bianchi Pista SS is however a first class bike! Brand new condition. Previous owner rode her maybe 6 times on the track.
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I don't worry. I just don't see the point of your post with the expensive stuff to "dress the part".
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If you're going to get a really nice bike, please dress right! Please don't let use see you with plastic bags over your gym sneakers on a rainy day!
Castelli Soft-Shell Cycling Pants - Men's $300
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Castelli Hors Categorie Jersey $150
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Sealskinz Extreme Cold-Weather Cycling Split-Finger Gloves $80
Castelli Idro 2 Jacket $300
Total $2300
11-15-20, 07:15 PM
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"Anyone who lives within their means suffers from lack of imagination" - Oscar Wilde.
Ouch, that hurts.
I need to up my bike budget. A lot.
Ouch, that hurts.
I need to up my bike budget. A lot.
11-15-20, 07:44 PM
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That's not the reason I prefer my bike, though.
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Nah, I live within my budget. Again, it's much cheaper than a car. Especially here in Denmark where we have up to 180 percent taxes on cars, plus very expensive environmental taxes (our version of road taxes), not to mention parking and whatnot.
That's not the reason I prefer my bike, though.
That's not the reason I prefer my bike, though.
I absolutely live in a budget. I'm an engineer, a subculture with an overly developed desire to not be wrong. Mr. Wilde is calling me out on the foolishness of my cautiousness, and I see truth in his statement. Will I actually act on that view? Maybe a smidge.
11-15-20, 08:18 PM
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I absolutely live in a budget. I'm an engineer, a subculture with an overly developed desire to not be wrong. Mr. Wilde is calling me out on the foolishness of my cautiousness, and I see truth in his statement. Will I actually act on that view? Maybe a smidge.
Me buying a somewhat (or even very) expensive bike won't hurt me financially. But again, I don't buy a new bike every other year or so.
In our family - we both make a pretty good chunk - neither of us have much interest in cars, so we don't have some flashy car, we don't have a big house to impress (our home is a flat), and so on.
So although I splurged on this bike, I'm not living beyond my means.
Just owning an old car here would pay for the bike in a year or two if you include the insurance and environmental road taxes. Things are quite expensive here. Many people pay a couple of thousand dollars/year, and $6-10000/year for the insurance for what is normal cars. plus the actual payments for the cars, maintenance, parking, fuel, and so on.
Not everyone in Denmark could live like me either. Some people do need a car. I've just chosen to live where I live to make it easy enough to get around on a bike. I am a city boy after all, lol.
11-15-20, 08:41 PM
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I'm one cheap SOB when it comes to buying new tires for my car, on which my life and livelihood depend. I put it off as long as possible. But I think nothing of getting new tires for one of my bikes, and I always buy the best ones money can buy. I don't mind spending extra on my bikes for something better.
I've always been that way though, the kind of person you see carrying a $3500 bike on a $2500 car. Probably not typical.
I've always been that way though, the kind of person you see carrying a $3500 bike on a $2500 car. Probably not typical.
If you're going to get a really nice bike, please dress right! Please don't let use see you with plastic bags over your gym sneakers on a rainy day!
Castelli Soft-Shell Cycling Pants - Men's $300
Giro Vanquish MIPS Helmet. $300
Castelli Hors Categorie Jersey $150
S-Works Exos Road Shoe Specialized Black $500
Sealskinz Extreme Cold-Weather Cycling Split-Finger Gloves $80
Castelli Idro 2 Jacket $300
Total $2300
Castelli Soft-Shell Cycling Pants - Men's $300
Giro Vanquish MIPS Helmet. $300
Castelli Hors Categorie Jersey $150
S-Works Exos Road Shoe Specialized Black $500
Sealskinz Extreme Cold-Weather Cycling Split-Finger Gloves $80
Castelli Idro 2 Jacket $300
Total $2300
Had to read through these postings, some of its quite silly but funny. Looking at dual suspension MTBs with the wife for her this year I really couldn't see where the money on those things went and they did get stupid expensive which also didnt seem to make a difference on getting them below 30lbs. We dropped 2k which, from what I could see, is the point you have to get to for a decent dual suspension bike in which the suspension really accomplishes something. After that the returns seem to diminish a lot. With road and gravel the differences between a 2k bike and a 5k bike are a little more obvious and the electronics after that seem to matter a lot towards the higher prices and lower weights though they move out of my range which currently seems to peak at 6k. I know if I spent more how it would be better but the returns diminish or disinterest me enough to not care.
Sometimes the money doesn't matter anyways. I'm building a 43cm felt f95w for my daughter and while any of the electronic groups would make shifting easier none of them are short enough reach to allow her to brake as well as a pair of 110.00 Microshift shifters. So as much as I'd love to plunk down for something nicer since this should last a few years, it isn't happening.
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11-15-20, 09:00 PM
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If you're going to get a really nice bike, please dress right! Please don't let use see you with plastic bags over your gym sneakers on a rainy day!
Castelli Soft-Shell Cycling Pants - Men's $300
Giro Vanquish MIPS Helmet. $300
Castelli Hors Categorie Jersey $150
S-Works Exos Road Shoe Specialized Black $500
Sealskinz Extreme Cold-Weather Cycling Split-Finger Gloves $80
Castelli Idro 2 Jacket $300
Total $2300
A $300 helmet is not even necessary, it offers no more crash protection than a $50 MIPS helmet that past the Virginia Tech crash tests with 5 stars; of course, the build quality is low end on the $50 one but the sweet spot would be around $100, but despite the build quality a 5-star helmet can be had for $50. While your particular helmet hasn't been tested yet, don't expect just because you paid $300 for it that would pass automatically with a 5-star rating because there's a Kali Tava that cost $240 that only got a 3-star rating, so higher cost doesn't necessarily buy you 5 stars.
Now, this is where it gets fun, in fact, it makes me wonder if you're really a cyclist and just got on the internet and thought you would throw expensive gear around for fun, and/or simply don't know what you're talking about? Hmmm, ok, here it goes, you said that your list was your cold-weather list, but then you mentioned these shoes, the S-Works EXOS Road Shoe. Now, why am I highlighting those shoes? Because those are a super lightweight mesh shoe designed for hot days NOT COLD DAYS!!! These are the absolute coolest shoe to wear on hot days. Even with the heaviest insulated sock, you would still find your feet freezing. And since you didn't mention you had shoe covers I believe you're a fake, or being funny, or...well you tell us, even if you had mentioned shoe covers, or just forgot to mention them, I don't think those shoes and a shoe cover would be good for under 50-degree riding.
The other weird thing is your math, I added up all the stuff you said came to $2,300 and my calculator only came up to $1,630, even if the cost that you gave didn't include tax on each item and your total did, you're still a good $500 from $2,300.
If you can come up with a good explanation for such crazy stuff like maybe you have Alzheimer's and you simply can no longer remember stuff, I could accept that, or some other explanations like you were just joking around. Or maybe you think 60 degrees is cold weather?
Despite all of that, I spent far less than even half of $2300 and I'm comfortable down to about 40 to 38 degrees without using plastic bags, after that I refuse to ride and will go to the indoor trainer.
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Never mind him. He has a disdain for people having a good bike, so that whole post of his was not even tongue in cheek. He most certainly did it to somehow poke at people who has what he considers an expensive bike, thinking posting expensive clothing would somehow be satirical or make him feel better about himself.
As for clothing, I wear clothes I can wear off-bike too. I don't have an office job, though, where I have to look the part or anything, so I can wear hardwearing trousers and shorts, but I do wear (merino) button shirts, because they're extremely versatile.
As for clothing, I wear clothes I can wear off-bike too. I don't have an office job, though, where I have to look the part or anything, so I can wear hardwearing trousers and shorts, but I do wear (merino) button shirts, because they're extremely versatile.