New ideas for Leader bike for 2009 and 2010
03-30-09, 02:28 PM
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i have seen a lot of them around and know a guy that is pretty short that rides one and he loves it, granted i dont know how far he rides.
03-30-09, 02:47 PM
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i would just go a size smaller than you'd normally ride...
why is this so difficult? are you even too small for the smallest size frame?
I'm 6'1 and I ride a 58 725TR w/ a 50mm stem and risers. I have a 90mm stem to run w/ drops and a 65mm stem to run w/ pursuit bars
why is this so difficult? are you even too small for the smallest size frame?
I'm 6'1 and I ride a 58 725TR w/ a 50mm stem and risers. I have a 90mm stem to run w/ drops and a 65mm stem to run w/ pursuit bars
03-30-09, 03:24 PM
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Give us a lugged steel frame for fixed gear use that is not full of hideous decalls. Mix the tubing for price performance. Keep the rear triangle of lighter higher end tubing and use basic 4130 tubing for the three main tubes.
Do not use a 1 1/8 headtube or fork. Its just dead weight. Make it steel, keep it real and give Soma/IRO a run for the money.
Over sized tubing should not be wasted on the fork but in the bottom bracket to eliminate flex or fatigue.
And for the love of god keep the stupid Leader decals to yourself. How about a leader headbadge or simply stamp Leader into the fork/rear drop outs. Why should anybody ride your products and advertise for you and not get paid.
There is a reason some of us are smart enough to buy any old frame and make a conversion. Its often economical and not hideously crass.
Do not use a 1 1/8 headtube or fork. Its just dead weight. Make it steel, keep it real and give Soma/IRO a run for the money.
Over sized tubing should not be wasted on the fork but in the bottom bracket to eliminate flex or fatigue.
And for the love of god keep the stupid Leader decals to yourself. How about a leader headbadge or simply stamp Leader into the fork/rear drop outs. Why should anybody ride your products and advertise for you and not get paid.
There is a reason some of us are smart enough to buy any old frame and make a conversion. Its often economical and not hideously crass.
03-30-09, 03:38 PM
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Give us a lugged steel frame for fixed gear use that is not full of hideous decalls. Mix the tubing for price performance. Keep the rear triangle of lighter higher end tubing and use basic 4130 tubing for the three main tubes.
Do not use a 1 1/8 headtube or fork. Its just dead weight. Make it steel, keep it real and give Soma/IRO a run for the money.
Over sized tubing should not be wasted on the fork but in the bottom bracket to eliminate flex or fatigue.
And for the love of god keep the stupid Leader decals to yourself. How about a leader headbadge or simply stamp Leader into the fork/rear drop outs. Why should anybody ride your products and advertise for you and not get paid.
There is a reason some of us are smart enough to buy any old frame and make a conversion. Its often economical and not hideously crass.
Do not use a 1 1/8 headtube or fork. Its just dead weight. Make it steel, keep it real and give Soma/IRO a run for the money.
Over sized tubing should not be wasted on the fork but in the bottom bracket to eliminate flex or fatigue.
And for the love of god keep the stupid Leader decals to yourself. How about a leader headbadge or simply stamp Leader into the fork/rear drop outs. Why should anybody ride your products and advertise for you and not get paid.
There is a reason some of us are smart enough to buy any old frame and make a conversion. Its often economical and not hideously crass.
Maybe if you knew something about their product lineup before you trash talked it you would have seen this: https://www.leaderbikestore.com/pd-ld...rack-frame.cfm
Do your homework first, then, when you have the facts, trash talk.
03-30-09, 03:38 PM
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Give us a lugged steel frame for fixed gear use that is not full of hideous decalls. Mix the tubing for price performance. Keep the rear triangle of lighter higher end tubing and use basic 4130 tubing for the three main tubes.
https://www.leaderbikestore.com/pd-ld-hmt-2009-track-frame.cfm
Seriously? Know what you're talking about...This is a beautiful hand built frame at a competitive price point for what it is.
Do not use a 1 1/8 headtube or fork. Its just dead weight. Make it steel, keep it real and give Soma/IRO a run for the money.
Dead weight? Uh...Larger Head tube=Larger diameter seat and top tube=stiffness...again, read a book before you start to try to educate others.
Over sized tubing should not be wasted on the fork but in the bottom bracket to eliminate flex or fatigue.
What? How do you have an oversized bottom bracket. You can brace it, you can have LARGER TUBES connected to it to enhance rigidity...the bottom bracket is going to be 68mm...
And for the love of god keep the stupid Leader decals to yourself. How about a leader headbadge or simply stamp Leader into the fork/rear drop outs. Why should anybody ride your products and advertise for you and not get paid.
Why wouldn't they advertise on their frames? Every other manufacturer does it, that's how it is. You want a blank solid colored bike? Shell out for a custom paint job
There is a reason some of us are smart enough to buy any old frame and make a conversion. Its often economical and not hideously crass.
Old road conversions are for people who want to look cool and ride a road bike w/ a fixed rear wheel whilst paying no attention to things like geometry or technological advancements...not to mention they're generally pieces of **** that people later trade in for a NEW bike that's invariably better on all counts
https://www.leaderbikestore.com/pd-ld-hmt-2009-track-frame.cfm
Seriously? Know what you're talking about...This is a beautiful hand built frame at a competitive price point for what it is.
Do not use a 1 1/8 headtube or fork. Its just dead weight. Make it steel, keep it real and give Soma/IRO a run for the money.
Dead weight? Uh...Larger Head tube=Larger diameter seat and top tube=stiffness...again, read a book before you start to try to educate others.
Over sized tubing should not be wasted on the fork but in the bottom bracket to eliminate flex or fatigue.
What? How do you have an oversized bottom bracket. You can brace it, you can have LARGER TUBES connected to it to enhance rigidity...the bottom bracket is going to be 68mm...
And for the love of god keep the stupid Leader decals to yourself. How about a leader headbadge or simply stamp Leader into the fork/rear drop outs. Why should anybody ride your products and advertise for you and not get paid.
Why wouldn't they advertise on their frames? Every other manufacturer does it, that's how it is. You want a blank solid colored bike? Shell out for a custom paint job
There is a reason some of us are smart enough to buy any old frame and make a conversion. Its often economical and not hideously crass.
Old road conversions are for people who want to look cool and ride a road bike w/ a fixed rear wheel whilst paying no attention to things like geometry or technological advancements...not to mention they're generally pieces of **** that people later trade in for a NEW bike that's invariably better on all counts
Wow so much ****** in this post...where to start.
I'm going to just supplement your post w/ red ink...think of it like all of the times you failed tests in grade school.
03-30-09, 03:39 PM
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03-30-09, 03:44 PM
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03-30-09, 04:36 PM
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Yes, too small for the smallest frame.
5'6, i need a TT range of 521-525mm, ST 490-510mm. I'm most concerned with the TT. I want to run bull horns.
03-30-09, 09:22 PM
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cant wait to see those schematics. i'm getting anxious to build up my first fg, but if they're really good, i might have to wait.
04-01-09, 10:04 AM
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My good friend brought up some points that are very good for the BMX style fixed gear.
-higher head tube w/ longer fork for more clearance for barspins
-clearance for 32c tires all around
-also when they do the angles for HT DT they should take into considderation that 400-430 a-c forks are being used mostly with 650 wheels
-around $300
ALSO, head tube gussets!
ALSO, no integrated seat post clamp! Those tend to slip alot, and many people like to upgrade to a stronger one
-higher head tube w/ longer fork for more clearance for barspins
-clearance for 32c tires all around
-also when they do the angles for HT DT they should take into considderation that 400-430 a-c forks are being used mostly with 650 wheels
-around $300
ALSO, head tube gussets!
ALSO, no integrated seat post clamp! Those tend to slip alot, and many people like to upgrade to a stronger one
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04-01-09, 11:47 AM
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04-07-09, 07:07 PM
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Models
here is both the BMX and the track frame versions. Both will be made of high quality double butted 4130 Taiwan chromoly Steel.
BMX style 700c frame
1. Gussets on the BMX frame will be made of stainless steel.
2. dropouts are steel CNC like dirt jump frames
3. 31.8mm oversize top tube
4. 34.9mm oversize down tube
5. oversize box style chain stay
Steel Track 700c frame
1. oversize teardrop top tube
2. oversize tear drop hexagon style down tube
we will offer powder coat options. all frames will have no decals but we will include a free decal set with your frame.
Opinions are welcome but please understand this is a rough rendering. Once the design is approved we will post the final outcome.
Brian
BMX style 700c frame
1. Gussets on the BMX frame will be made of stainless steel.
2. dropouts are steel CNC like dirt jump frames
3. 31.8mm oversize top tube
4. 34.9mm oversize down tube
5. oversize box style chain stay
Steel Track 700c frame
1. oversize teardrop top tube
2. oversize tear drop hexagon style down tube
we will offer powder coat options. all frames will have no decals but we will include a free decal set with your frame.
Opinions are welcome but please understand this is a rough rendering. Once the design is approved we will post the final outcome.
Brian
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04-07-09, 08:41 PM
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The track design looks sick, but what's up with the track ends?
04-08-09, 01:23 AM
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04-08-09, 01:28 AM
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damn that track frame is looking pretty nice so far... rough idea on pricing (Based on materials at least) ?
04-08-09, 09:39 AM
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the track frame can't be a higher quality metal? 631 would be cool and 725 would be even more awesome.
04-08-09, 02:03 PM
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***ignore the waterbottle**
this is a general idea of what I would want to see
-straight bladed, thick legged fork for stiffness and strength jumping curbs
-big oversized tubes for combating dents from cabs and phantom doors
-steep headtube for snappy steering
-lax seat tube angle for wheelies! (also just more comfortable position)
-tucked up rear wheel
-triple triangle for style points!
-longer top tube, designed to be used w/ 50mm stem (bmx stem/bars for example) gives barspin clearance...effective cockpit will be same length as a normal sized frame
I think this bike would be a blast to ride, it would look incredible, and be extremely effective for daily use in the city for commuting/courier use
https://www.flickr.com/photos/2548470...7604596104538/
sick. lol if all goes well. damn leader would be so sick.
04-08-09, 02:32 PM
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Problem is the new tear drop tube sets we are making can only come from 4130. On the upside we are using a high end version of the material and It is lighter and better than some of the Higher priced brand name materials. I will look into that awesome seat tube. If there is time I am sure we will be happy to use it. Even on the new BMX style model. Please keep those opinions coming. There is time.